FS 4 and 5 lug stud kits for all e30s

[blackforest]

Tired of balancing your wheel with one hand while trying to thread in a lug bolt with the other? Sick of dropping wheels on your feet when trying to put them back on your car? Save time at home and at the track, end the silliness of wheel bolts and Replace your lug bolts with a lug stud kit from Black Forest Industries.

http://www.blackforestindustries.com/blah/studkit4lug.jpg

The kits come with 16 1.75" long studs, 16 cone seat chrome lugnuts, allen key for the studs, lugnut allen drive key, single use red loctite, and 2 12mm bolts.

This length will work with up to a 3mm spacer and still retain the stock amount of thread engagement. We can also provide 2.125" studs for the same cost that will work with up to an 8mm spacer.The kits come with cone seat lugs. The 2 12mm nuts are to double nut the studs to torque them down during installation.

These kits are in stock and ready to ship. $55 shipped to the lower 48.

We also have stud kits for 5 lug cars;

http://www.blackforestindustries.com/blah/studkit5lug.jpg

These include the same parts as the 4lug. On the 5 lug kits the stud is 12 mm to thread into the hub.In stock and ready to ship $65 shipped to the lower 48

Please IM, post , or email us at sales@blackforestindustries.com

[Luda30]

I use to have a stud kit on my car and i have to say these are well worth the money!

:up:

[Rob]

what size are the lug nuts (ie 17mm, or whatever)

also, is chrome the only option?

[M-technik-3]

Are those lugs compatable with what type wheel?

[blackforest]

the lug nuts use a key that comes with the set (14mm internal allen) so they also act as keyed lugnuts in a sense.

The lugs come in chrome and black. Black lugs are $5 more...

[rwh11385]

sweet, i was looking for a stud kit, and this comes out.

quality/satsifaction claim/statement? anyone with experience with these? just curious.....

edit: $5 more for black, as in $60 shipped, correct?

[blackforest]

Are those lugs compatable with what type wheel?

All OEM wheels are ball seat. 99.9% of aftermarket wheels are cone seat. These kits are cone seat. Thouhg we can get ball seat for an additional $10 for the set.

[blackforest]

sweet, i was looking for a stud kit, and this comes out.

quality/satsifaction claim/statement? anyone with experience with these? just curious.....

edit: $5 more for black, as in $60 shipped, correct?

Several of us, myself included, have these on one or more of our cars.

Yes $60 shipped for 4 lug with black cone seat

[M-technik-3]

Theft protection? what grade hardness are the studs? 10.8 or higher?

[Easily Distracted]

All OEM wheels are ball seat. 99.9% of aftermarket wheels are cone seat. These kits are cone seat. Thouhg we can get ball seat for an additional $10 for the set.

Er.. So can I use these with switching back and forth between OEM wheels and aftermarket when I switch wheels for autocross or put my winter tires on?

[rwh11385]

All OEM wheels are ball seat. 99.9% of aftermarket wheels are cone seat. These kits are cone seat. Thouhg we can get ball seat for an additional $10 for the set.

Er.. So can I use these with switching back and forth between OEM wheels and aftermarket when I switch wheels for autocross or put my winter tires on?
Same question. Can they be used with say, my borbets, then used when putting on my baskets with cheap rubber for auto-x?

[C ///M]

Studs rock. I don't even want to remember what it was like with lug bolts.

EDIT: guys, they can be used with all wheels. They're the same as having lug bolts, except you screw on a nut instead of threading the whole bolt. The studs stay in all the time.

Simply put, if you take your wheels off more than the average person, or switch between track, winter, and summer wheels, or are constantly swapping pads at the track, YOU SHOULD HAVE STUDS. If you dont, you're just :loco:

[Rob]

if your aftermarket wheels are compatible with stock bolts (which are cone shaped), then these will work. fairly easy to understand.

[blackforest]

All OEM wheels are ball seat. 99.9% of aftermarket wheels are cone seat. These kits are cone seat. Thouhg we can get ball seat for an additional $10 for the set.

Er.. So can I use these with switching back and forth between OEM wheels and aftermarket when I switch wheels for autocross or put my winter tires on?
Same question. Can they be used with say, my borbets, then used when putting on my baskets with cheap rubber for auto-x?

Yes and no.

As stated OEM(stock) wheels use a ball seat in the wheel while aftermarket(borbet) use a cone seat. It is extremely dangerous to use the wrong type lug on a wheel, ie cone on a ball.

The studs are the same for either, you would just need both sets of lugnuts to switch beteen the two. That is a set of the cone seat lugnuts and a set of the ball seat. If you are using the same lugbolts now on both sets of wheels you are taking a big risk.

[rwh11385]

if your aftermarket wheels are compatible with stock bolts (which are cone shaped), then these will work. fairly easy to understand.

As stated OEM(stock) wheels use a ball seat in the wheel while aftermarket(borbet) use a cone seat. It is extremely dangerous to use the wrong type lug on a wheel, ie cone on a ball.

well, blackforest and Rob.....

fight it out and decided whether I'll need another set of nuts to use these studs with my basketweaves.

and in the case I do need ball nuts, how much are we talking $$

[Rob]

my stock bolts are cone, and fit my kosei's perfectly... :shock:


http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNjM5MzIwNnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D.jpg

[rwh11385]

yeah, with your response about being fairly easily, I pictured the bolt

but still, hearing things like danger makes one worry and want to be sure.
I mean, if they are ball, then that would mean everyone with stock bolts and aftermarket wheels are dangerous.

hmmm. mayhaps they are cone. and I don't have to buy another set of lugnuts. 8)

[blackforest]

my stock bolts are cone, and fit my kosei's perfectly... :shock:


brb- i'm going to pull one and post a picture.

Yeah go check, I don't have any here at the office. But I could have swore BMW were the same as all the other stock wheels.

[rwh11385]

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/image/wheels/wheels_hrbolts_lg.jpg

hey, it's cool if you just assumed they were ball as well. Just got worried.....

but I am figuring they are cone.

You take CC's at Blackforest right? phone #?

[blackforest]

Yeah we would much rather be safe than risk someones safety. So now that , that question is answered, you won't need another set of lugnuts to swap wheels. :D

[rwh11385]

Good to have that resolved. Now for the second and third questions I had. CC?/phone #. :)

[blackforest]

Good to have that resolved. Now for the second and third questions I had. CC?/phone #. :)

Right now we can't take CC's over the phone. Have to use paypal for that, which is the same address as the email; sales@blackforestindustries.com

We have the chrome lugnuts in stock and can shipp same or next day, The black ones will add 2-3 days to shipping time, just to let you know

[M-technik-3]

Grade hardness scale?

Theft protection option?

[rwh11385]

Alright, I have a paypal account and would be kind enough just to instant transfer funds from my checking account so you don't eat fees.
I'm going to take 2 days to digest and make sure I want to buy these now, but I was already looking for them and you came forward with this deal at the right time.

(p.s. Greg, did you ever update on those Hartge wheels? I think Brian was interested.....i kinda decided to get spacers and keep my wheels, obviously)

[blackforest]

Grade hardness scale?

Theft protection option?

They are a Rockwell C scale 25 hardness. Which translate to the Grade scale right above 8.

As for theft detection the lugs with these kits use a 14mm allen drive and come with the key. So that is pretty good theft protection right there, not many people carry, or even have , a 14mm allen socket. We can get lock sets, with 1 lock lug per wheel, for an additional $10 for the set. However these locks are only in the chrome finish.

[Mystikal]

<-- Ignorant to the "allen drive key". How exactly are the lugs installed/removed? I've only seen kits that use 17/19mm sockets, and these have a 14mm allen key? You just connect it to a wrench like a socket?

[boom-monkey]

You install the studs with the allen key, it has an allen key hole in the end. The nuts are put on like usual with a socket.

[Mystikal]

Nah man, look at the lugs.

[aaron_silva]

Can you get sets to fit a 4lug with 10mm spacers?

Aaron

[Easily Distracted]

<-- Ignorant to the "allen drive key". How exactly are the lugs installed/removed? I've only seen kits that use 17/19mm sockets, and these have a 14mm allen key? You just connect it to a wrench like a socket?

It looks like you just put the allen bit into a common socket size on your wrench and it becomes a 14mm allen head socket for tightening the lug bolts.

I think the smaller allen key helps to screw the lugs into the hub. The lugs probably are keyed for it on the hub end.

The two nuts are set up to jam against each other to torque each lug into place. The Loctite holds everything in place.

I've been looking for something good quality like this and priced well.....
I heard that Kosi's have a small hole size for lug nuts and some splined drive nuts do fit. Do you know if it would fit in tight applications like this?

[blackforest]

<-- Ignorant to the "allen drive key". How exactly are the lugs installed/removed? I've only seen kits that use 17/19mm sockets, and these have a 14mm allen key? You just connect it to a wrench like a socket?

It looks like you just put the allen bit into a common socket size on your wrench and it becomes a 14mm allen head socket for tightening the lug bolts.

I think the smaller allen key helps to screw the lugs into the hub. The lugs probably are keyed for it on the hub end.

The two nuts are set up to jam against each other to torque each lug into place. The Loctite holds everything in place.

I've been looking for something good quality like this and priced well.....
I heard that Kosi's have a small hole size for lug nuts and some splined drive nuts do fit. Do you know if it would fit in tight applications like this?

That is all exactly right, couldn't have said it better myself.


Yes that is another benefit of this design, the fit into tight lug holes much easier. And since you are using the center of the lugnut there is much less chance of messing up the finish in the lug holes.

[blackforest]

Can you get sets to fit a 4lug with 10mm spacers?

Aaron

We can provide longer studs , 2.125", but we do not recomend using anything more than an 8mm spacer.

[nando]

As stated OEM(stock) wheels use a ball seat in the wheel while aftermarket(borbet) use a cone seat. It is extremely dangerous to use the wrong type lug on a wheel, ie cone on a ball.

are you sure about that? my bottlecaps, basketweaves and TSW hock's all had cone seats. I don't think any E30 wheels use ball seats, but some VW wheels do.

[blackforest]

Youre right, we went over this but I was mistaken, e30 wheels do use cone seat lugs.. so there are no issues

[rwh11385]

Do you guys have spacers as well? (currently looking at IE's ones)

[blackforest]

Do you guys have spacers as well? (currently looking at IE's ones)

We don't deal with any larger than 8mm, again too much liability.

[rwh11385]

Sorry,

Does blackforest sell spacers as well? (Looking for 8mm ones ideally, hubcentric.....but was also looking at IE's 6.35mm ones)

[T.Dot E30]

Yes that is another benefit of this design, the fit into tight lug holes much easier. And since you are using the center of the lugnut there is much less chance of messing up the finish in the lug holes.

Also this might not apply to ur kits, but with cheaper lugs of this type, there is more chance of the lugs cracking.

Like a socket, then ur screwed u can't get the lug off without damaging ur wheels.
This happened to someone, the lug nut rusted and cracked....the key no longer worked.
His wheel was fuked after

[blackforest]

Yes that is another benefit of this design, the fit into tight lug holes much easier. And since you are using the center of the lugnut there is much less chance of messing up the finish in the lug holes.

Also this might not apply to ur kits, but with cheaper lugs of this type, there is more chance of the lugs cracking.

Like a socket, then ur screwed u can't get the lug off without damaging ur wheels.
This happened to someone, the lug nut rusted and cracked....the key no longer worked.
His wheel was fuked after

We have naver had that happen with these kits. However the allen keys should NOT be used with impact guns.

[chrisd]

why the hell is this not in retail classifieds? It's clearly a business...

[golde30]

why the hell is this not in retail classifieds? It's clearly a business...

LOL, yah it is retail...

on the topic of a lug breaking, couldnt u just put a hex bit socket in the middle of the broken lub and take out the whole stud?

[blackforest]

We still have plenty of these, if anyone else is interested :)

[MichaelH]

Quick question, if I have wheels that use spacers and would require longer studs, could I also switch to stock wheels or would the longer studs be too long for the nuts to contact the wheel?

[blackforest]

Quick question, if I have wheels that use spacers and would require longer studs, could I also switch to stock wheels or would the longer studs be too long for the nuts to contact the wheel?

No they would work, the studs are fully threaded

[rwh11385]

Wow, stud kits makes things a LOT easier. It takes 5 minutes to jack up, remove the lugnuts and the wheel, and then put everything back......instead of 5 minutes just putting the wheel and bolts back in! Makes rotating tires no longer a half hour task, and I don't look upon looking on working on my car as negatively anymore as it's not a pain, but a breeze.

Good doing business with you, and hope others take advantage of the deal.

And btw, for those who might be curious:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v453/Rb325is/DSCF2354.jpg
The stock wheels & center cap fit on the longer stud (with no spacers on).

[formula driver]

Anybody know if these are still available? Im game for a set with black lugs.

[Axxe]

Are these still available? I would like a set in black.

[formula driver]

They are. Contact him through his site. I have to warn you though, I sheared off 2 of the studs second time bolting wheels back on. I was using a craftsman tourqe wrench so they were not over tourqed. I sent him an email asking for 2 new studs and he never contacted me back. So beware. :?

[Easily Distracted]

Just to post for both sides, I have had my wheels on and off several times and have had no problems.

[A_325i]

errr do you have any 70-75mm long studs? if you do i would buy those i have 20mm spacers and need nerw studs and nuts bad