Obamacare supporters, explain this one away.......

[z31maniac]

^PM sent.

[joshh]

Is anyone interested in reading a book on healthcare reform?

I just read this one:

If you're not familiar with Halverson, he's the CEO of the largest private healthcare provider in the US. The Kaiser Foundation is also one of the largest organizations that conduct clinical research.

The book was published pre-Obamacare, basically at the beginning of the debate.

It's only ~130 pages and really simple to read.

It outlines the history and subsequent shortcomings of our current non-system, and explains the source/cause of care cost increases. It also offers real-world solutions written by someone who manages a system that provides quality care to over 10mil patients.

Anyhow, if you want to read a short book on our healthcare system, as well as relevant reforms, I'd be willing to media mail it to one (or a few) of you. It was expensive, and I want to read it again, so of course I'd want it back haha. Anyhow, shoot me a PM if you want to read it.

The man is for the single payer system, no thanks.
I'm all for having more data for doctors to tap into when treating patients but this guy doesn't even want independent doctors.

[CorvallisBMW]

The man is for the single payer system, no thanks.
I'm all for having more data for doctors to tap into when treating patients but this guy doesn't even want independent doctors.

Good for you for not reading or understanding the other points of view.

[joshh]

Good for you for not reading or understanding the other points of view.

And you assume this because? Do i have to have read THAT book to know what the guy wants?

Am I wrong? Does he not want a single payer system?

[KenC]

The man is for the single payer system, no thanks.
I'm all for having more data for doctors to tap into when treating patients but this guy doesn't even want independent doctors.

There is an entire section on competition between care systems in the book.

[joshh]

There is an entire section on competition between care systems in the book.

Yet none of them are independent. You can have a single payer system where you can chose your doctor can't you?

[KenC]

Yet none of them are independent. You can have a single payer system where you can chose your doctor can't you?

I'm not sure if you meant to type "can" or "can't."
There are different types/scales of single payer systems.

The only way you could have a single payer system and be able to choose your doctor 100% of the time would be a nationalized govt payer and have all physicians employed by one entity.

There are a lot of independent single-payer systems within the US. Group Health in Seattle, the Mayo Clinics, and Kaiser Permanente are all single payer systems.

[joshh]

I'm not sure if you meant to type "can" or "can't."
There are different types/scales of single payer systems.

The only way you could have a single payer system and be able to choose your doctor 100% of the time would be a nationalized govt payer and have all physicians employed by one entity.

There are a lot of independent single-payer systems within the US. Group Health in Seattle, the Mayo Clinics, and Kaiser Permanente are all single payer systems.

The only thing I have yet to find from his views are who is to pay for his ideas. And yes i have a lot more reading about the guy to do. But so far it sounds to me like he wants a Government system set up. Which is exactly what I'm against.

[KenC]

The only thing I have yet to find from his views are who is to pay for his ideas. And yes i have a lot more reading about the guy to do. But so far it sounds to me like he wants a Government system set up. Which is exactly what I'm against.

He's not an advocate for a nationalized govt single-payer.

[joshh]

He's not an advocate for a nationalized govt single-payer.

I really doubt that so far. He commented about independent doctors and how they need to be part of a "system". He's just not said the usual words...."single payer Government controlled system".

Everything so far indicates he does want that. I have a lot more research to do on the guy though to see what his points truly are.

[CorvallisBMW]

Everything so far indicates he does want that. I have a lot more research to do on the guy though to see what his points truly are.

Yet you've already made up your mind about him and claim to know what he advocates in a book you haven't read.

Ya that makes sense.

[ck_taft325is]

Yet you've already made up your mind about him and claim to know what he advocates in a book you haven't read.

Ya that makes sense.

I'm not trying to troll you, but have you read it? This point could be much easier swallowed if you're claiming to have read it and pointing out that he hasn't so he should just stfugtfonowpls.

[z31maniac]

^Huh? Because he hasn't read it he can't tell someone who hasn't read it to have a definitive opinion on it?

OK........

[CorvallisBMW]

I'm not trying to troll you, but have you read it? This point could be much easier swallowed if you're claiming to have read it and pointing out that he hasn't so he should just stfugtfonowpls.

I haven't claimed to read it, nor made any claims about the author or his views. I was just pointing of the raging hypocrisy of certain posts.

[ck_taft325is]

^Huh? Because he hasn't read it he can't tell someone who hasn't read it to have a definitive opinion on it?

OK........

Actually I was just curious. Don't get your panties all bunched up now, Zeke.