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Old 10-18-2016, 09:24 PM   #31
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I merged your threads. Please stop making more of them.
I would rather you not do that please as I believe this is important enough for its own thread.
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Old 10-18-2016, 09:26 PM   #32
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I ... that voting for Trump is voting for the same platform that Hitler used to gain power, start the largest conflict in human history and systematically exterminate nearly every Jew in Europe.
Guess the man has noticed that you exist now LB.

It's the oldest trick in the book, make as many people or entities into the boogeyman until one sticks in the mind of the public, and it's been a certain way to unite the people since there were two groups of humans with something resembling a language. So, don't forget that Hitler went after a number of groups before settling on the old Eastern European enemy (no, not the Mongols) that made him so famous. It's also worth noting that Hitler was totally okay and very friendly with groups of people he eventually decided to persecute after he had made his way to the top.

Remember this all prospective Trump voters (you know, the righteous silent majority), many people have said that the system is rigged so that you have to vote for the Democratic party candidate for your vote to actually count.
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Old 10-19-2016, 07:57 AM   #33
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this is all true although trump will infact receive a lot of republican support
i think the media bias will backfire and polls don't reflect the current mood of the electorate.

and you are right in that elite republicans and democrats are threatened
ALL THE MORE REASON TO VOTE TRUMP
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Old 10-24-2016, 09:06 AM   #34
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I get what you're trying to say, but I don't see how you can say that he didn't/doesn't have Republican supporters. The man received countless endorsements from real Reps, even before he had the nomination locked, he garnered lots of votes in non-prime tea party segments, and he wasn't defeated with back room dealing at the convention.
You likely weren't much interested in how Trump got where he is based on your obvious political bias, but there has never been any stronger alignment against a candidate for the primary within the Republican Party in modern history. The party establishment threw everything they could at him to defeat him and used just about every dirty trick they could think of, but the base (which they despite) overrode them and got Trump the nomination. His support from the party only came after he soundly defeat his opponents and they had no choice - though there were still many discussions had about ways they could steal the nomination from him at the convention.

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To me that means that he might not have been the preferred candidate, but the mainstream element of the party hitched their wagon to him and are now trying to rapidly distance themselves from the train wreck they see coming.
The vast majority of media outlets (including most of ours in leftist Canada) are aligned against him, openly and blatantly in ways that should have been shameful only a decade ago. Your statement about the "mainstream element of the party" should have been "establishment element of the party", and you and I are in total agreement about them distancing themselves. They'd rather see Clinton elected, as with her it would at least be business as usual, and the plunder of your treasury (by both sides) would continue.

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As to the last thing you said, hate seems to be the main motivator behind his serious supporters. They seem so hell-bent on ruining their lives and the nation by voting for someone who seems intent on sabotaging the government as we know it. Which makes me wonder why they haven't just clocked out of their miserable lives, and instead prefer to make the remainder of the population suffer.
You are a sad example of the polarization of your country with this paragraph. How many Trump supporters are in your closest circle of family and friends? I'll bet the answer is zero.

You honestly think the main motivator of over half of your countrymen who don't agree with your hugely biased and quite likely unresearched opinions are motivated by hatred? Don't you think your country would cease to exist within days were that actually the case? Don't you understand how ridiculous your position sounds?

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So when you go the polls on November 8th, remember that voting for Trump is voting for the same platform that Hitler used to gain power, start the largest conflict in human history and systematically exterminate nearly every Jew in Europe.
Trump is "literally Hitler" based on the strength of your assertions because you minored in history in college, read some books, watched some documentaries, and travelled to historic sites in Germany. You're also aware (based on you 'contributions' in other threads) that every single negative about Clinton is manufactured by the Republicans.

Honestly, I think your strategy of attacking people who disagree with you with verbal assaults is more effective than your 'convincing' arguments.
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Old 10-24-2016, 09:22 AM   #35
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Old 10-24-2016, 09:39 AM   #36
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Old 10-24-2016, 09:42 AM   #37
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You are a sad example of the polarization of your country with this paragraph. How many Trump supporters are in your closest circle of family and friends? I'll bet the answer is zero.

You honestly think the main motivator of over half of your countrymen who don't agree with your hugely biased and quite likely unresearched opinions are motivated by hatred? Don't you think your country would cease to exist within days were that actually the case? Don't you understand how ridiculous your position sounds?



Trump is "literally Hitler" based on the strength of your assertions because you minored in history in college, read some books, watched some documentaries, and travelled to historic sites in Germany. You're also aware (based on you 'contributions' in other threads) that every single negative about Clinton is manufactured by the Republicans.

Honestly, I think your strategy of attacking people who disagree with you with verbal assaults is more effective than your 'convincing' arguments.
Thank you for your intellectually honest breakdown of where "discourse" has gone in this country. Too many people live in echo chambers and participate in mental masturbation, especially around political topics. What drives me nuts, however, is the penchant lefties have to simply frame anyone who disagrees with them as somewhere between an idiot and a dangerous, immoral person. We're headed towards a country that is full of right and left wing fundamentalists, and it scares and saddens me.

A little reminder from 4 years ago...Fox isn't the only biased media outlet.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/10096/...l-ben-shapiro#
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We're headed towards a country that is full of right and left wing fundamentalists, and it scares and saddens me.
Agreed. Not all Trump supporters are evil just as not all Hillary supporters are socialists.

That said, Trump does make Hillary look palatable, which I didn't think was possible for me.
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Old 10-24-2016, 12:02 PM   #39
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Guess the man has noticed that you exist now LB.

It's the oldest trick in the book, make as many people or entities into the boogeyman until one sticks in the mind of the public, and it's been a certain way to unite the people since there were two groups of humans with something resembling a language. So, don't forget that Hitler went after a number of groups before settling on the old Eastern European enemy (no, not the Mongols) that made him so famous. It's also worth noting that Hitler was totally okay and very friendly with groups of people he eventually decided to persecute after he had made his way to the top.

Remember this all prospective Trump voters (you know, the righteous silent majority), many people have said that the system is rigged so that you have to vote for the Democratic party candidate for your vote to actually count.

I would like to park on this idea but keep it brief knowing attention spans are short, avoid the tl;dr.

Soros has colluded with ATLAS (a "polling" agency); the emails are out there for all to see and make this connection and see face value their intent. The polls used by the MSM (who are themselves in the bag for Soros and his ilk) are oversampling in an effort to make the polls say what they need. Numbers can lie. The e-mail exchanges don't. If I needed to swing a poll about banning race car part sales .... would I go find samples to poll at the local race track or hit up the local Green Peace, environmental, clean air meeting? Would either tactic lead my poll to a different outcome?

Can you agree with this?

Now, take a walk with me down a path of social engineering (predictive behavior, we are all human). The gov't (not just ours) is good at it. It has been used in times of war and peace. In the private sector, maybe this is called marketing.

Agree?

We, as the people, are fed what to expect by the MSM. We are being told to expect HRC will win, DJT is a loser, etc. Would you agree media has a bias?


So, imagine....I were to race DTM this year and win the championship, you would about shit a brick knowing I am no race car driver, don't heel-toe and never even been to a race track. If I won, would it surprise you? Of course it would. Everything you know says, not this guy. In the sports world, games have been "thrown" or "rigged". It defies our expectations and we have footing to say, "that is not right! How did this no-name, never a race car driver, win the championship? Clearly something is wrong".

So go back to the polls being spoon-fed by the MSM. The people are being told what to expect. As long as the expectations are not violated, life goes on, ho-hum and the groundwork is there to say, "See, HRC was winning all this time"!

But was she? Well, we are told to believe it...

But if I were to tweak a little here (the polls) and tweak a little there (the ballots (and this is also noted far and wide in our land, 100% voter participation with not a single R vote, protectors at the poll booths, multiple votes per person alive and dead and aliases), well, we would potentially be none the wiser. Anyone could have seen it months out, look at the polls! We like to think we are so smart. Ever use that trick on someone, or recognize something is only a good idea IF it is that person's idea?

Look at the size of the rallies. Does that offer any insight into the campaigns?

Is it rigged? Of course. Look at B.Sanders. Guy was set to lose from the start. And that was one of their own! Think about an enemy of the party! Read through the emails.

If one were to have open access to your emails, could we learn something about you? What would it tell us?

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Old 10-24-2016, 01:20 PM   #40
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lol, yes a giant conspiracy has been unveiled and now we can unskew the polls

if this was true why did the polls go from showing them going from a dead heat? why wouldn't the manipulated polls shown a trump deficit of 10 or more points from the get go?
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Old 10-24-2016, 02:32 PM   #41
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You likely weren't much interested in how Trump got where he is based on your obvious political bias, but there has never been any stronger alignment against a candidate for the primary within the Republican Party in modern history. The party establishment threw everything they could at him to defeat him and used just about every dirty trick they could think of, but the base (which they despite) overrode them and got Trump the nomination. His support from the party only came after he soundly defeat his opponents and they had no choice - though there were still many discussions had about ways they could steal the nomination from him at the convention.

I do understand why you would think that I have a political bias, but I really have a bias against DT as president, as I believe that he would be bad for this country for a myriad of reasons. However, I am an independent and will happily vote for whoever I think will serve the interests of the country as I see them best. If we were in a position to see Ryan, Rubio or Bush v. HC I would seriously consider any of them.

Perhaps there is a good reason that he has so many, including an increasing number of folks in his own party aligned against him? I believe it's mainly that he isn't the ordained candidate and is far too much of a spectacle for most politicians to get behind.


The vast majority of media outlets (including most of ours in leftist Canada) are aligned against him, openly and blatantly in ways that should have been shameful only a decade ago. Your statement about the "mainstream element of the party" should have been "establishment element of the party", and you and I are in total agreement about them distancing themselves. They'd rather see Clinton elected, as with her it would at least be business as usual, and the plunder of your treasury (by both sides) would continue.

It is true that with HC the US would likely see business as usual, but with DT it's very hard to predict what would actually take place. But it is safe to say that a DT presidency would probably be 4 years of deadlock no matter who holds the majority in Congress, and if we do see a Democratic victory in Nov. it's probable that there will be a change in the Congressional power structure.


You are a sad example of the polarization of your country with this paragraph. How many Trump supporters are in your closest circle of family and friends? I'll bet the answer is zero.

Two, one, my last boss, supports him because he believes he will benefit small businesses (he is a SBO himself) and the other, my landlord, for security reasons, as well as unwillingness to happily accept HC in office under any circumstances.


You honestly think the main motivator of over half of your countrymen who don't agree with your hugely biased and quite likely unresearched opinions are motivated by hatred? Don't you think your country would cease to exist within days were that actually the case? Don't you understand how ridiculous your position sounds?

Not hate as the way I think you are interpreting it, but rather as sort of a massive frustration and attempt to strike back at what is seen as ineffective government by electing DT.
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Just thoughts.
Polls are flawed, the media is exceptionally flawed, but they do happen to be what we have to work with. However, as individuals it is our responsibility to form independent opinions even in the face of contrary information, and that can only be achieved by viewing whatever is presented to you in the news with some, but not too much, skepticism.

Does the media play a large part in elections, of course, and they are biased in many, but not all cases. However, they would play less of a part if the whole process weren't dragged out over such a long time span, know-what-I'm-saying?

I cannot get on board with the thought that the process is out and out rigged. Under excessive influences from bad actors, certainly, but not rigged, as the scale is simply too large, with way too many human weak links for something like that to work.

Whatever you would learn from my correspondence would very much depend on what you were looking for (which is part of the point you were making above). Of course, there would undoubtedly be things that would reflect badly on me, and there would be things that make me look great. Ultimately I think I would look like an average person, but it's a very interesting thought to look at that from the other end.
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lol, yes a giant conspiracy has been unveiled and now we can unskew the polls

if this was true why did the polls go from showing them going from a dead heat? why wouldn't the manipulated polls shown a trump deficit of 10 or more points from the get go?
Bro, you even read emails?

The fact the polls are skewed is a done deal. I am not sure that is to be argued. It only needs accepted.

Why make them flip flop a little but always with her in the lead? I dunnno... believability?

These are not actors born last night. The world is a scary place. Evil is real. People dont always have your best interest in mind.

You said conspiracy theory. Theory or fact? And it is a great play of the game. No way coukd polls be wrong. Numbers can't lie. Nearly 100% of fat people are fat because they eat too much.
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Folks, the only poll that matters... is the one reported on November 8th. The polls during the campaigns are just guesses based on samples, some skewed to the left, and others to the right.

Fact, DT could have won this election. Fact, he does not know how to keep his mouth closed and act like a decent candidate. Fact, he will now lose this election.

I am an independent and would gladly have entertained a reasonable GOP offering over HRC. I do not like her at all. But next to DT, she is the clear winner (for me), again, unfortunately.
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Bro, you even read emails?

The fact the polls are skewed is a done deal. I am not sure that is to be argued. It only needs accepted.

Why make them flip flop a little but always with her in the lead? I dunnno... believability?

These are not actors born last night. The world is a scary place. Evil is real. People dont always have your best interest in mind.

You said conspiracy theory. Theory or fact? And it is a great play of the game. No way coukd polls be wrong. Numbers can't lie. Nearly 100% of fat people are fat because they eat too much.
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