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    #16
    Originally posted by Pac1373 View Post


    Josh,
    Are you fucking kidding with that site you linked? Really?
    wow...

    Don't like the facts do you. We already know Canada is having a rough time covering the costs of the health care system. Are you denying that or are you just trying to "attack" the source because it makes Canada look bad? The same data can be gathered from many other sites.
    Last edited by joshh; 10-09-2010, 09:10 PM.
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      #17
      Originally posted by joshh View Post
      Don't like the facts do you. We already know Canada is having a rough time covering the costs of the health care system. Are you denying that or are you just trying to "attack" the source because it makes Canada look bad? The same data can be gathered from many other sites.
      it makes Canada look bad? ummm no dude, that site looks about as legit as...nope never mind, does not look legit at all...

      don't like the truth? about what? budget discrepancies? I suppose you are going to say that your healthcare system is the be all end all?

      look to Europe my friend for real healthcare bliss, I am not deluded into thinking what our system is anywhere near perfect.

      my point is a right wing neo Christian website is NOT a reliable news source.

      at all.

      the source cited in you article the Canadian constitution Foundation, was started by a Lawyer who's drive is to privatize our "socialist" healthcare system to allow him to cue jump to the front of the line...he has a personal agenda. this is not a "grass roots, the little people want it and are fighting for it"

      these "facts" are spin and that is it.

      take a few moments to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(Canada) you may find that our system is not as "Red"(socialist reference) as you think it is.

      also, with a tax base of 36,000,000 residents(et al, not all tax payers), in the second largest geographical country on the planet. the fact that we supply reasonable and affordable healthcare to our entire nation is a coup.

      how you can spin that into a negative is beyond my reasoning.

      at anyrate, here is an interesting read on sustainability.

      This paper is written in response to the question of sustainability of current health care funding regimes. Please feel free to read the supporting documentation as it is also extremely informative.


      if you have an undersatanding of percieved value (I do) and a good sense of financial management (I do) you can see that the there is not going to be an everlasting, unfixable funding issue. here is another good one.



      wise fiscal management results in increased ROI period. ROI being in this case sustainability and percived value of the Canadian healthcare system.

      this is where the "answer" is for any nations "healthcare crisis"

      my point is this, you stated your viewpoint as a fact, it has no resemblance to the true state of affairs of the Canadian health system, and was just rethoric from a website that is not in my opinion legit.

      that is all.
      Originally Posted by ACMF74
      i clicked on this cuz i saw p3nis

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        #18
        Originally posted by ortholithiation View Post
        I'm not sure where I stand, Quebec is extreamly socialist and my taxes are really high for shitty roads and shitty service.
        Canadian overpasses scare me - crushing cars until they "fix" it with expanded steel.

        Ich gehöre nicht zur Baader-Meinhof Gruppe

        Originally posted by Top Gear
        Just imagine waking up and remembering you're Mexican.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Pac1373 View Post
          it makes Canada look bad? ummm no dude, that site looks about as legit as...nope never mind, does not look legit at all...

          don't like the truth? about what? budget discrepancies? I suppose you are going to say that your healthcare system is the be all end all?

          look to Europe my friend for real healthcare bliss, I am not deluded into thinking what our system is anywhere near perfect.

          my point is a right wing neo Christian website is NOT a reliable news source.

          at all.

          the source cited in you article the Canadian constitution Foundation, was started by a Lawyer who's drive is to privatize our "socialist" healthcare system to allow him to cue jump to the front of the line...he has a personal agenda. this is not a "grass roots, the little people want it and are fighting for it"

          these "facts" are spin and that is it.

          take a few moments to read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(Canada) you may find that our system is not as "Red"(socialist reference) as you think it is.

          also, with a tax base of 36,000,000 residents(et al, not all tax payers), in the second largest geographical country on the planet. the fact that we supply reasonable and affordable healthcare to our entire nation is a coup.

          how you can spin that into a negative is beyond my reasoning.

          at anyrate, here is an interesting read on sustainability.

          This paper is written in response to the question of sustainability of current health care funding regimes. Please feel free to read the supporting documentation as it is also extremely informative.


          if you have an undersatanding of percieved value (I do) and a good sense of financial management (I do) you can see that the there is not going to be an everlasting, unfixable funding issue. here is another good one.



          wise fiscal management results in increased ROI period. ROI being in this case sustainability and percived value of the Canadian healthcare system.

          this is where the "answer" is for any nations "healthcare crisis"

          my point is this, you stated your viewpoint as a fact, it has no resemblance to the true state of affairs of the Canadian health system, and was just rethoric from a website that is not in my opinion legit.

          that is all.


          Lets focus here on Canada and your great Socialist heath care system. We already know ours (US) is broken but Canada's will also be broken and for the most part already is.

          In one of your links the fact according to them is Canada is currently spending 21.1% of Government total spending. That number has been increasing ever year. So somehow you are coming to the conclusion that increased spending every year will magically be covered. And that there will be no problems.
          So if Canadians are willing to have your taxes keep increasing to cover the costs (both of your links about sustainability show increases in cost yearly) you guys will be just fine and dandy....unless you want to also include the long lines of those not getting care or those having to wait for a Bureaucrat to approve a surgery then things change quite a bit don't they.
          We already know that Canada rations care and does the minimum needed to make a sick person healthy again.
          Let's add in those on the waiting lists and see what that percentage increases to shall we (rhtorical).
          Let's get real here. The sustainability of Canada's health care system is equal to how much you want to be taxed. And at some point whether it's 10 years from now or 50 the system will be totally broken and fall apart because every year it's costing Canada more and more. That is unsustainable. Specially since the numbers don't show the truth in all the people waiting for care and those who die before they get care or those who never get care through their own Government.


          This is a good read from a Canadian.



          Your system is as broken as ours.
          Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

          "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the [federal] government." ~ James Madison

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            #20
            Originally posted by joshh View Post
            Lets focus here on Canada and your great Socialist heath care system. We already know ours (US) is broken but Canada's will also be broken and for the most part already is.

            In one of your links the fact according to them is Canada is currently spending 21.1% of Government total spending. That number has been increasing ever year. So somehow you are coming to the conclusion that increased spending every year will magically be covered. And that there will be no problems.
            So if Canadians are willing to have your taxes keep increasing to cover the costs (both of your links about sustainability show increases in cost yearly) you guys will be just fine and dandy....unless you want to also include the long lines of those not getting care or those having to wait for a Bureaucrat to approve a surgery then things change quite a bit don't they.
            We already know that Canada rations care and does the minimum needed to make a sick person healthy again.

            Let's add in those on the waiting lists and see what that percentage increases to shall we (rhtorical).
            Let's get real here. The sustainability of Canada's health care system is equal to how much you want to be taxed. And at some point whether it's 10 years from now or 50 the system will be totally broken and fall apart because every year it's costing Canada more and more. That is unsustainable. Specially since the numbers don't show the truth in all the people waiting for care and those who die before they get care or those who never get care through their own Government.


            This is a good read from a Canadian.



            Your system is as broken as ours.


            no, it isn't.

            but if thinking so makes you sleep better...alright then.

            here is another link...why not?



            we can trade links dated, outdated, or otherwise till blue in the face,but the botom line is (as can be seen anywhere in this sub forum) you are not interested in yeilding to another persons "skewed view" and neither am I.



            these graphs say alot I think.

            equally broken? an argument not worth delving into.

            I am far to lazy to keep up our trading of furious internet blows, so in future posts I will most likley resort to "I know you are but what am I?" and " you are wrong because you disagree with my point of View" type responses.

            you know what they say about people who argue on the internet...
            Originally Posted by ACMF74
            i clicked on this cuz i saw p3nis

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              #21
              More importantly....

              What the hell does healthcare have anything to do with the original post?? Nice work Josh, you moron.

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                #22
                Joshh, you're a fucking moron. Stop being a tattle tale.

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