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    We change my steering wheel coz sun damage. I bought from ebay same one. When we put the steering wheel new one. My SRS is blinkiing for 3mins. After that light stays on. Pls. i need you opinion. Thanks in advance. :(
    - Fercy -

    BimmerHeads
    Classic BMW Specialists
    Santa Clarita, CA
    www.BimmerHeads.com

    #2
    AIRBAG DELETE FTMFW!!! i threw mine in the trash, you should do the same. other than that i have no clue on this airbag stuff. did you plug in the airbag?
    AWII 1991 318is - Sold
    Schwarz 1988 325is - Sold
    Schwarz 1991 325i - Driven

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      #3
      My crash sensors fried..

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        #4
        This might help a bit, I've got the service manual that covers everything, it's 15 megs, i could mail it to you if you pm me an email account.
        Attached Files

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          #5
          Originally posted by e30lyf View Post
          We change my steering wheel coz sun damage. I bought from ebay same one. When we put the steering wheel new one. My SRS is blinkiing for 3mins. After that light stays on. Pls. i need you opinion. Thanks in advance. :(

          say what?

          all i got from what you tried to write was:

          ebay steering wheel

          SRS light blinked, now stays on?
          m106 1990 e30
          e36 daily
          e32 cruiser

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            #6
            Thanks, It blink when you start. 5mins while driving stays on.
            - Fercy -

            BimmerHeads
            Classic BMW Specialists
            Santa Clarita, CA
            www.BimmerHeads.com

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              #7
              To make a long story short, get yourself a non-srs check panel and be done with it.

              Here's the long story:

              Grab the thread from BEN too!

              SRS Fault Codes: Help!

              I'm gonna post this a couple places in hopes of getting some ideas. Apologies in advance if you come across it again.

              I'm the proud owner of a '92 325ic triple white. It's a USA spec car with a 525 Motronic ECU and an SRS computer. Since purchase, the SRS warning light on the overhead check panel has indicated faults. When the car is started, the SRS light flashes for about 4 min, then glows steady. After trying a recommended local import shop and the dealer and getting "gee, we don't know", I found a faq from Jeff Cocking on the big coupe groupe (http://normgrills.net/bcg/Listing_by_Topic.html) indicating that shorting diagnostic plug sockets 1 and 6 and turning the ignition to 1st position would get the check panel lamp to spool out fault codes.

              Well the SRS computer/motronic indicated 3 faults: 1,4,3,1; 3,2,3,1; 1,1,4,1. The first three digits designate x,y,z numbers and the last is d: 1=brief defect (short interuption of plug contact), 2=permanent defect. Luckily all mine appear temporary faults. The x,y,z codes indicates what to check. I can use the x and y numbers to get started. The problem is that the z position is indicated to only be a 1 or 2 in the faq and my system is presenting 3s and a 4! Does anyone have a defect code table for this setup that discusses z numbers >2?

              I've tried simply disconnecting the battery to no avail and of course the Bentley sez take it to a trained professional, which as I indicated above is not very helpful. A related faq suggests disconnecting the battary and unplugging and reconnecting all the orange connectors. I haven't tried that yet but I see one on each front shock tower, one in a door on the lower steering column cover. The SRS computer is under the dash above the ABS computer. I haven't looked up there closely yet to see how many are there. Is there anywhere else I should hunt? In the 6 and 7 series cars, this SRS module is supposedly behind the glovebox, but I don't see any orange up there.

              TIA
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              See the fault code pdf from roadstergal in Doucments folder or at link below:

              r'gal reply:

              Well,you could start with the fauts that the x and y numbers give and work with those. That FAQ didn't really show any difference in the diagnosis with the z numbers.

              Or you could suck it up and get the tool.


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              91318is reply:

              Unfortunately without the tool you are probably not going to figure it out. If there is a bad sensor or something you can not fix it by resetting it. I had a sensor ring in the steering column go bad a little over a year ago and I think it was around $300 to fix it.

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              My reply:

              r'gal,

              Thanks for the pdf. I hadn't come across that one. I'll assume I've got the SRS2 unless someone knows how to determine that precisely. I'm looking at page 19 trying to determine if I may be able to reset the system by configuring two jumpers and a ground strap from the diagnostic connector to the SRS harness.

              A couple of issues with this document though: First, the diagram of the diagnostic connector at the bottom of page 19 is a mirror image along the pin 1-to-pin 7 axis i.e. pin 6 (the SRS connector) is to the firewall and passenger's side of the car not the driver's side of the car as indicated.
              Second, how does one convert the x,y,z,d code to a single digit code.

              In the end my issue is mostly about getting the darn lamp reset. It's not clear to me why disconnecting the battery and redoing all the connections would reset the faults memory. It does seem that a tool is necessary, but what exact tool is the question. I thought the link was gonna be to a place like Pelican that list what could be such unit. I'm a little leary of dropping cash on a tool since the dealer and the shop both plugged their compliment of tools in to no avail. I had to come up with the way to read the codes out. Both places claimed they couldn't get a signal from the SRS computer but clearly this old fashioned way indicates that the SRS and Motronics can talk to each other. As stated above, maybe your pdf has the diagram I need.

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              From Pelican Parts:

              BMW SRS Reset Tool
              The BMW airbag light is something that every installer, mechanic, racer and tuner will eventually face. The removal of interior components such as the seat, steering wheel, ECUs, parts of the wiring harness, etc... will cause the airbag light to come on. And it stays on, until a tool is used to reset it. Until now, the only solutions were a trip to the dealer, which will always costs you time and money, or the purchase of a very costly scan and reset tool. With The low cost, R5/SRS, you simply read the code, look up the code in our code book, make sure you know exactly why the airbag light is on, fix the problem, then reset it. That simple.

              R5-SRS Airbag (SRS) Scan/Reset Tool for BMWs (1987-mid 2000) PEL-R5-SRS $124.95
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              The finali (hopefully not) of a weekend-long thread on BEN 3-21-05

              Well I finally got around to calling Peake today to talk about their R5-SRS tool. The guy in teh support emphatically said the tool won't work for my application. He sez that he is correcting the web site at places where it states compatibility with the late model E30s ('87-'92). He sez they developed the tool for the later generations of SRS controllers, but the the baud rate is too fast for that required in the E30 version. I tried to explain the whole issue with in my case being able to jumper diagnostic pin 1 and pin 6 and turn the ignition to first position and get the check panel to pulse out the fault codes. I argued that since I can do this, it must mean that diagnostic pin 6 is connected to the SRS contril unit. He turned that around to say because I could do this, he was sure their tool wouldn't work.

              Listening to his responses and inconsistency with what he said and what I know to have been the recent changes in what is described on the web sites of Peake and Pelican (who I also talked to to no avail), I'm pretty sure he was presenting the party line due to so many failed efforts with the tool and our SRS controllers. I would have thought that whether or not pin 6 was connected was the difference.

              There's no way I'm paying BMW who knows how many hours of shop time so their techs can go relearn 13 year old technology and then perform a 2 min repair. Andy, I hope your buddy to clarify things.

              > From Andy 90 325i - Mon, 21 March, 2005, 01:08
              > yeah, Ill talk to him tomorrow. One thing I

              > found online was a guy claimed he
              > disconnected the battery, then disconnected
              > all the connectors(each wheelwell has an
              > orange one under the hood, and he
              > disconnected the harness at the SRS module).
              > Then he reconnected all, and said that the
              > light went away! I don't know if that will
              > work or not, but if I don't get some good
              > info tomorrow you might want to try it.
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              From Peake 3/21/05: http://www.peakeresearch.com/srs_compatibility.htm

              Which tool should I order?

              R5/SRS: 1994-2000*
              R5/SRS-16: 2001-2003 (plus many 2004 models)

              * Mechanics; The compatibility range of the R5/SRS can be extended past 2000, to 2003/4, by simply adding the AB03 adaptor. In other words, the R5/SRS combined with the AB03 adaptor will give you a compatibility range of 1994 - 2003/4.

              Notes on R5/SRS compatibility:

              last update: 1/15/20034

              During the development of our tools, we attempt to cover a broad range of BMWs. The R5/SRS's compatibility can range from as early as 1989 up to 2003. However, there are certain year ranges with compatibility issues.

              Known Problem Years:
              We have found that from 1990 through 1993, BMW, on a few occasions, changed both the technology and installation of the SRS systems. We have developed our tools based on what we believe was their main technology and decided not to address the short term, seemingly "experimental" technologies they employed. So, while the SRS tool will work on a number of these 1990 - 1993 BMWs, it will not work on all of them.

              If your BMW was built in or between the years 1990 and 1993, we suggest, before you order, you locate your Airbag/SRS controller and note the controller part number: The SRS controller will have a bright orange connector and the part number should begin with "5WK..."

              Please Contact us with the part number by email. We will then attempt to determine the likelihood of compatibility.

              Fully compatible years.
              There are no known incompatibilities from 1994 through 2003.

              ***Note, this page text is likely to change since I talked to them and told them that this statement didn't jive with their insistance that the R5-SRS tool will not work with my '92 SRS controller since I can jumper diagnostic pins 1 and 6 to get the check panel to report the fault codes.

              I need to get the SRS controller part number and e-mail it to them to see if it fits their compatability chart.
              Let's go exploring!

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                #8
                I would bet a nickle that this is what happened: While removing the old airbag wheel, you removed and unplugged the airbag and then removed the connector under the column. Then you turned the key on to remove the wheel - without undoing the battery!! This will set a hard code in the computer and the light will stay on forever. As far as I have been able to determine, there are NO aftermarket reset tools for this lamp and the only solution is a dealer reset. AMHIK....

                The moral of the story is undo the battery whenever you are fooling with the SRS system in an E30 and never reattach it when a component has been removed or unplugged!!

                Alex Vogel

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                  #9
                  My SRS light came on when I simply unplugged the check control panel while the key was in the ignition. The light has been blinking for years. I've pursued every possible avenue (except the dealer) to have it reset. You are looking at a first generation airbag that is very proprietary. You pretty much have to break down and have it reset at the dealer IMO (if they still have the tool) if it bothers you that much. I gave up after a while and pulled the bulb from the check panel.

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                    #10
                    Thanks a lot fellowes for idea. Try to figure it out, Which is the cause of the problem. Let you know when i fix it.
                    - Fercy -

                    BimmerHeads
                    Classic BMW Specialists
                    Santa Clarita, CA
                    www.BimmerHeads.com

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                      #11
                      just buy a non-srs check panel
                      R.I.P 07/01/09 - 04/23/10 :(

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                        #12
                        +1 again. It's the only solution. I even gave my local BMW dealer a shot at it and they couldn't reset it as all their new equipment doesn't recognize the first generation systems.
                        Let's go exploring!

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