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The U.S. pays twice as much per citizen per year than the next highest (France) and is about 37th, after Silesia, in measurable health outcomes. How is this good?Last edited by DaveNorCal; 02-27-2013, 06:26 PM.1990 Alpine 325iC.
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Originally posted by herbivor View Postnot because we are subsidizing R&D for all the other countries.
I think you totally missed his point.Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!
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I find it interesting that according to a sailing buddy who owns his iwn GP practice the reason its so expensive is the insurance companies and medicare.
He was telling once that the 2 highest expenses in his practice were malpractice insurance and admin costs to process claims. 2 full time employees to do nothing but process, track and audit payment from insurance companies and medicare. The second is his malpractice premiums.
He was also telling me about Kentucky vs Indiana as a example. Apparently Indiana has malpractice claims caps and Kentucky doesn't Malpractice premiums in Indiana are 30 to 40% cheaper because of it.
The only way to lower costs is reform on the tort level unfortunately. The insurance system in itself needs to be simplified on the Doc level and the related costs need to be reeled in.
Just like my wifes last MRI on her back. my obligation using insurance 500.00, called around, got the scan done at the same place in the same machine for 400.00 cash. Someone explain that when insurance was to be billed 1500 and I was supposed to pay 500 but, I pay cash for the service leaving insurance out and get the exact same service/procedure for 400 out the door.
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Originally posted by DaveNorCal View PostThe U.S. pays twice as much per citizen per year than the next highest (France) and is about 37th, after Silesia, in measurable health outcomes. How is this good?“There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
Sir Winston Churchill
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Originally posted by DaveNorCal View PostThe U.S. pays twice as much per citizen per year than the next highest (France) and is about 37th, after Silesia, in measurable health outcomes. How is this good?
A healthcare system can't make up for eating chicken fried steak and bathing in gravy everyday.Need parts now? Need them cheap? steve@blunttech.com
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Originally posted by Ratbastage View PostI find it interesting that according to a sailing buddy who owns his iwn GP practice the reason its so expensive is the insurance companies and medicare.
He was telling once that the 2 highest expenses in his practice were malpractice insurance and admin costs to process claims. 2 full time employees to do nothing but process, track and audit payment from insurance companies and medicare. The second is his malpractice premiums.
He was also telling me about Kentucky vs Indiana as a example. Apparently Indiana has malpractice claims caps and Kentucky doesn't Malpractice premiums in Indiana are 30 to 40% cheaper because of it.
The only way to lower costs is reform on the tort level unfortunately. The insurance system in itself needs to be simplified on the Doc level and the related costs need to be reeled in.
Just like my wifes last MRI on her back. my obligation using insurance 500.00, called around, got the scan done at the same place in the same machine for 400.00 cash. Someone explain that when insurance was to be billed 1500 and I was supposed to pay 500 but, I pay cash for the service leaving insurance out and get the exact same service/procedure for 400 out the door.
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kudos to rats fir shopping around
and i'd suggest that if the feds were the fuck OUT of healthcare and consumers had skin in the game except a $50 copay, consumers would drive costs down because it would matter that an MRI at XUZ company was $400 and $1500 at Franciscan Health Hospital.“There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
Sir Winston Churchill
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Originally posted by vedubin01I think you totally missed his point.Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View PostHe did as per his standard Modus operandi
Guess what: big pharma spends more on advertising than R&D costs. Your argument sucks.
If you want to go on and on about denmark's tax structure, go start another thread on that subject. there's no reason to drag it into this thread.
Originally posted by z31maniac View PostEver notive how many obese fucks on Lipitor we have in this country?
A healthcare system can't make up for eating chicken fried steak and bathing in gravy everyday.
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About half-way through on this (BTW it is a VERY well research and well written article), and I have to ask:
How do we change it? The guys who make the rules are paid for by those who want the rules made.
The prior Congress had an all-time low approval rating, yet most kept their jobs. It's always the Senator/Representative from THAT guy's state fucking everything up, not mine.
Mainstream voters won't give a 3rd party a real chance since both sides of the media are bought and paid for by higher ups in each party and thusly paint 3rd party candidates as some kind of wacko's.
You've got the insane fear mongering on the right about morals and values and some mythical 2000 year old book. And the insane fear mongering on the left about feeding our old people dog food, etc.
To be completely honest, after the last few elections, I can barely stand to pay attention anymore. It's obvious the vast majority don't give a fuck. And I'm starting not to either.
I'm an atheist who believes humans evolved by accident.
So in reality, what the fuck does it matter if our species survives or not?Need parts now? Need them cheap? steve@blunttech.com
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Buddy - speaking of mainstream, nothing makes me more upset than having the TVs in front of the treadmills having Hannity on one and Maddow on the other. It's like WTF - both of you are doing it wrong. This isn't information but pure biased opinion. I think "who would watch this crap?" and then sadly realize that wayyyyyy too many Americans do, or listen to GB.
I need to dig into the article but found this a ways back and found it interesting and a different look at the one thread you talked about employers and insurance plans punishing smokers / overweight workers. I always thought that proactive and positive rewards in Wellness programs seemed better than negative reinforcement and opening up to potential lawsuits or BMI silliness.
Obviously can't solve the diseases we don't have cures for or a lot of our unhealthy habits, but it's a start.
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