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    Originally posted by Kershaw View Post
    Oh yeah. It's REALLY the poor that's dragging down this country. Not the Fortune 500 companies, not the 1%, not the people skimming this country's money into offshore bank accounts that don't do anything. I think there's a quote that kind of really addresses this statement by you, and so many other people in this thread.
    Sorry but how can you blame a company, or a person for finding and exploiting loopholes to get out of paying taxes etc? I mean sure, it'd be nice if everybody paid on the honor system but that's just silly. That blame belongs to the government and the regulations/lack there of that allow this to continue. I mean the entire point of creating a company or a business or whatever is to make money (sure there are fantastic examples of where this isn't true, but they're the exception). That's the bottom line. Sure, it'd be nice if every business exhibited some form of corporate social responsibility, but there's no legal requirement and ironically for the most part, CSR is driven by profit. So again, how can you fault a business or a person or whatever for increasing profit by avoiding taxes if they can get away with it? That's the government's responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen.
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      Everyone has options.

      I met a guy once at a traffic light. He has a sign that read something along the line if "Looking for work, not money, I am a carpenter".

      I got his number and gave it to my Father in law who owns a small home improvements company. By the time my father called him back, the guy already had found a job.

      It's not that hard, but sitting around asking for shit to be handed to you isn't the right way of doing things. There are incredible opportunities out there to be had, you just have to be willing to put in the foot work.
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        Originally posted by flyboyx View Post
        i don't like bernie, but i fucking hate that dirty waffles piece of shit hillary. unfortunately she is now in the lead-by a lot.
        Did she win over bernie on super tuesday?




        I think it's interesting to watch how panicked the "establishments" are. I hate to use that word, but both the democratic & republican establishments are shitting themselves on who "the people" are choosing.

        Hillary cannot draw a crowd anywhere, Bernie fills stadiums, yet she wins all these super delegates that keeps her relevant.

        Meanwhile the republican establishment is thinking "oh fuck, we should have stopped this months ago" with the lead trump is taking. One by one their guy has bowed out and after tuesday, it looks like rubio won't have much chance even with all of Jebs old money now backing him so now they have to cart out Romney to try and stop trump at the convention.

        With both Bernie & Trump it's clear to see that "we the people" are desperately wanting something different, something authentic and something much different than what either party leaders want to shove down our throat.
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          Originally posted by Exodus_2pt0 View Post
          Everyone has options.

          I met a guy once at a traffic light. He has a sign that read something along the line if "Looking for work, not money, I am a carpenter".

          I got his number and gave it to my Father in law who owns a small home improvements company. By the time my father called him back, the guy already had found a job.

          It's not that hard, but sitting around asking for shit to be handed to you isn't the right way of doing things. There are incredible opportunities out there to be had, you just have to be willing to put in the foot work.
          So so so so true. Back in middle school/high-school I started doing garden work for people in town with some cheap basic tools, then bought a mower with profit, then more equipment until I had so much business I was turning people down because I didn't have time. That's how I bought my first car, and the nitro gas powered RC cars that fueled the car lust. Some of that money also paid for college. At the same time I had friends who complained they couldn't find work....

          With both Bernie & Trump it's clear to see that "we the people" are desperately wanting something different, something authentic and something much different than what either party leaders want to shove down our throat.
          Yes, that is exactly it.
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            This is a very fascinating election cycle. What is remarkable to me is that the Republican Establishment is getting their ass handed to them while the Democrat Establishment is successfully fighting off Sanders. Apparently Democrats aren't pissed enough.
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              Originally posted by marshallnoise View Post
              This is a very fascinating election cycle. What is remarkable to me is that the Republican Establishment is getting their ass handed to them while the Democrat Establishment is successfully fighting off Sanders. Apparently Democrats aren't pissed enough.
              I wouldnt call a ~40-60 split in non super delegate, pledged delegates "successful".

              Not trying to be blind to the odds, but clinton imo looks like a fool whenever she debates bernie, thats why she constantly avoids all these new debates bernie wants to debate at.

              The only reason she is getting massive amounts of votes is people dont know who bernie is because they are ignorant of politics, and they know the clinton name.
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                Give this a read. Bernie's tax plan.

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                  ^
                  Sounds about right for a Socialist (how redistribution-eee,eee)


                  Originally posted by Kershaw View Post
                  Oh yeah. It's REALLY the poor that's dragging down this country. Not the Fortune 500 companies, not the 1%, not the people skimming this country's money into offshore bank accounts that don't do anything. I think there's a quote that kind of really addresses this statement by you, and so many other people in this thread.
                  So you have not read the book or even bothered to find the overview to it at all then??? You dont understand the premise of the book or why it was written, or done any further research into its authors. Thats is abundantly obvious.


                  You want to blame business for not repatriating profits from overseas units, to pay a 36% corporate tax on profit they (in most cases) have already paid the taxes on in the country in which the money was made........ I think there was a rebellion sparked over taxation once upon a time, not even the states double tax you, on income you paid taxes on already.
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                    We need more references to 1776 in this thread. Obviously the reason our forefathers rebelled is the idea of nationalized healthcare and trying to have everyone equal is far fetched and heresy /s.

                    The taxes really are not that high, ive looked at his plan like 10 times now. just 30 years ago they would've been higher then his plan, and 80 odd years ago they were double the proposed. If we are gonna keep bringing up what past events like they are idols.
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                      Wschnitz, I suggest you real the The Tax Policy's analysis. The tax rates are very high, and in the end it's going to lower after tax incomes across the board, cost millions of jobs, and reduce the incentives to work, save, and invest. For earners over 10 mil (just for the sake of discussion) will have their marginal rate increased to 54.2%. However, that does not take into account state taxes which would bring the true rate upwards of 70%. Now I know it's easy to say "who needs that much money" but that's not how capitalism works. What's the incentive to grow when it just brings you into a new tax bracket?

                      For instance, a 6.6% payroll tax in addition to a $15 minimum wage will kill our labor force. Small businesses are the backbone of this nation, and while corporations may be able to afford this, it's the mom and pop shops that won't. Hours will be cut, part time employees will be let go, etc. it's simple math.

                      His capital gains tax being taxed as ordinary income is particularly alarming too. It's easy to point the finger and say "Corps need to pay their fair share" but they have answers to stuff like this. Overseas, automation, cutting hours, or shutting doors.

                      For instance, in Los Angeles a small(ish) Chinatown neighborhood begged Walmart to open a store. They argued that the community would benefit from their low priced household goods, etc. Walmart opened it's doors, however, when LA passed the $15 minimum wage, they promptly shut their doors because that goes against their entire business structure. Low labor costs passes the savings onto customers. How many more businesses will do the same?

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                        So like it is now? Cause the way it currently is works well, its really preventing all these companies in america from moving manufacturing over seas, and growing all these mom and pop shops so well! I even heard Disney Decided against firing all those staff and replacing them with H1B holders! /s

                        Also lol walmart as an example, there are so many things wrong with walmart as an employer its great that you brought it up, should we talk about how walmart has full time workers that are still on gov welfare?

                        If Minimum wage and high taxes are the end of the world, why did costco raise its minimum wage to $13.50 this year?

                        What ruins economies is botched trade deals, not increasing the minimum wage to levels were you dont half workers still on welfare while working full time. Unless you think they need to pull their bootstraps up more, there are jobs falling from the sky right? Just work 2 instead of 1!
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                          I didn't say the way it is currently working is going so well, I just offered a different perspective and analysis. To challenge your first statement, do you think those conditions will improve under Sander's new policies? If so then why?

                          As far as Walmart goes, that was just an example and an entirely different conversation of ethics. There's a reason they are able to offer such low prices, low labor costs are the foundation of their business structure. If you don't like it, don't shop there. If you don't want to work there, don't work there.

                          As far as Costco goes, that's great. That's an ethical issue though. Clearly Costco is willing to invest in their employees, as they always have. Different business structure.

                          "Job's falling from the sky" from what I understand here is that you're pointing out that not a lot of jobs are available, and it's competitive. Do you think it will be more or less competitive under Sander's tax proposal? i didn't even mention the 6.6% payroll tax for employers. His plan will lead to less jobs and cut hours. A $15 minimum wage doesn't mean shit if you can't get a job.

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                            In my opinion throwing the 6.6% payroll tax out there doesnt really make sense, especially since thats the tax that goes towards the healthcare costs correct? Really not that much different then business paying for healthcare for employees now, (or not paying cause who cares about employees right).

                            I dont know, to be honest I dont think anyone knows what the economic effects will be, I dont think ive ever put all my trust in what "The Tax Centers" opinion on the matter is, because in the past they have never really been exactly correct. I don't however think his tax plan will end the world like the right and the media says it will. There are other countries that even after bernies plan would have much higher rates.

                            I think the bigger thing people always forget is Bernie wants to cut the junk out of the government, which in theory could cut down on waste and end up with lower or less taxes long term.

                            Say bernie does get into the whitehouse, I dont think he will scare all the "i dun wan no dirty druggys takin my money" people with the free college and other free things. I think his main push will be medicare for all, and making sure EVERYONE has access to health care, including the thousands of veterans who are treated like dirt.

                            If you dont want nationalized healthcare, find another politician who will regulate it in a different way, cause as it is its broken, no rattlesnake bite should cost $250k to treat, or a night in a normal hospital bed $10k, or $153ea ibuprofen.

                            Im sick of seeing people on the street, no matter what reason, and sick of seeing veterans forgotten and uncared for, and I have no problem paying extra taxes to prevent that.

                            Cutting taxes and pulling up our bootstraps wont fix anything.
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                              Originally posted by Dozyproductions View Post
                              Give this a read. Bernie's tax plan.

                              http://taxpolicycenter.org/publicati...cfm?ID=2000639


                              Sanders Policy Director Warren Gunnels tore apart the TPC analysis:
                              U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders introduced a bold plan to rebuild the middle class, raise wages and reduce the poverty rate during his presidential campaign. At a time when income and wealth inequality are skyrocketing, Sanders pays for his economic agenda by making Wall Street, large corporations and the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share in taxes.

                              Unlike Citizens for Tax Justice, the Tax Policy Center chose to analyze Sanders’ tax plan in a vacuum without taking into account the savings the American people would gain under his Medicare-for-all plan. That is misleading.

                              The analysis from Citizens for Tax Justice found that 95 percent of American households will see their take-home pay go up, not down, under Sanders’ Medicare- for-all plan which is paid for by his progressive tax plan.

                              Citizens for Tax Justice also found that middle class families would see their take-home pay go up by more than $3,200 a year under Sanders’ plan.

                              Not only did the Tax Policy Center fail to estimate the savings the American people will gain under Medicare-for-all, they also fail to count the economic gains that would be achieved by Sanders’ plan to rebuild the middle class.

                              Sanders has a plan to create and maintain at least 13 million jobs rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. It is widely accepted among many economists that rebuilding roads, bridges, drinking water facilities, airports and other infrastructure needs creates jobs for Americans in the short-term while allowing commerce to flow more smoothly in the long-term, a win-win for prosperity in the U.S. The Tax Policy Center did not look at that.

                              Sanders has a plan to make public colleges and universities tuition free that would save the typical middle class family $9,400 a year. Creating a workforce that is more educated and less bogged down in student debt would benefit the economy immensely. The Tax Policy Center did not look at that.

                              Sanders’ has a plan to extend and expand Social Security boosting the income of senior citizens by an average of about $1,600 a year. The Tax Policy Center did not look at Bernie’s plan to expand Social Security.

                              Sanders has a plan to increase the minimum wage to $15 an hour and to protect the pensions of more than 1.5 million workers. The Tax Policy Center did not look at that.

                              Sanders’ tax plan is the mechanism for achieving universal health care and education, creating jobs, and a secure retirement. Without estimating the benefits the American people would gain under these initiatives, the Tax Policy Center’s report is inaccurate and one-sided.

                              The American middle class has been disappearing for 40-years. This is a big problem that demands big solutions.
                              The reality is that Sanders’ plans will make our tax system more progressive and will make the investments that are key to our future prosperity.
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                                God this thread got insane real fast.

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