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    #31
    The first thing to to is to start at the top of what follows and work to the bottom without skipping and steps. More times than not you will find the problems, fix them, and be a lot happier with the engine/car.

    Idle or hard starting problems are most commonly caused by intake leaks and/or
    a sticky or defective Idle Control Valve (ICV). The only reliable method of
    locating intake leaks is to have a smoke test run on the intake and crank case
    and to test the brake booster with a gage and vacuum pump. The complete list
    of possible causes of an intake leak is:

    Intake boot
    Throttle body gasket
    ICV hoses & connections
    Brake booster, hoses, and connections
    Crank case breather hose
    Evaporative control hoses, valve, and expansion tank
    Fuel pressure regulator & hose
    Injector seals
    Valve cover gaskets & bungs
    Oil filler cap
    Dip stick o-rings
    Oil return tube o-rings
    Pan gasket or oil level sensor gasket

    While leaks in some of those can be found by inspection or by spraying carb
    cleaner on suspect areas, not finding leaks that way doesn't eliminate the
    possibility. Only a smoke test will really work.

    Once the possibility of intake leaks is eliminated, the ICV needs to be
    removed and cleaned with carb cleaner until the vane inside moves freely. When
    the ignition is switched on you should be able to feel vibration from the
    ICV. If no vibration the ICV is bad, there's a problem with its wiring or
    connector, there's a problem with the TPS, or the DME (or Idle Control Module
    (ICM) on an ETA car) is faulty.

    For the DME (or ICM) to control idle, the idle switch in the TPS must work
    correctly. The switch should close when the throttle stop is 0.030-0.060" off
    the idle stop screw. Hearing a click doesn't mean the TPS is working. Check
    with a meter or test light.

    The fuel system should be tested via the suite of tests in the Bentley manual
    as invalid rail pressure can be a contributor to idle and starting problems. A
    simple injector check is to pull the injectors, jumper the fuel relay to run
    the pump, and see if the injectors are leaking. You can also point the
    injectors into a towel, remove the coil wire, and crank the engine to see if
    all of the injectors appear to be spraying in a similar fashion. The best
    approach to possible injector problems is to have the injectors cleaned and
    flow tested. Since raw fuel can or will be released in these tests, have a
    fire extinguisher handy.

    While a bad check valve in the high pressure pump can result in longer than
    normal cranking, if the fuel system is working as it is supposed to the rail
    will reach normal pressure in a few turns of the engine. A weak pump, clogged
    filter or leaking FPR in conjunction with a failed check valve can result in
    longer cranking and/or idle poroblems.

    The O2 sensor can be a contributor to idle problems. The O2 sensor is a
    scheduled maintenance item with a useful life of no more than 100k. If the
    sensor has that mileage or more (or is of unknown age), replace it.

    The AFM can be a contributor. If the vane doesn't move freely or the
    resistance track is worn the DME may be receiving invalid data from the
    AFM. And if someone has fiddled with the bypass air adjustment the DME may be
    unable to stabilize idle. The bypass air adjustment should only be adjusted
    per the procedure in the Bentley and with an exhaust gas analyzer. And even
    then everything else associated with engine management has to first be
    operating properly. If the AFM becomes a suspect, replacement with a good used
    unit is the best approach.

    Improperly adjusted or malfunctioning valves will affect idle and starting. As
    can compression issues from ring or cylinder wear. A valve adjustment is
    called for every 15k. A useful diagnostic is to run compression (dry and wet)
    and leak down tests on the engine. Aged ignition wires, plugs, distributor
    cap, or rotor can cause problems. Insulation does break down with time and
    heat. And since the youngest E30 is going on 20 years old, if the ignition
    system is original or the plugs are old replacement is indicated.

    Although not usually a problem, a bad DME temp sensor is a possibility. That
    generally won't cause an unstable idle, but can cause hard cold or hard hot
    starts and/or a rough idle. As can problems with the timing reference
    sensors. Although not commonly encountered, a bad harmonic balancer on an
    M20B25 or M30 engine will cause problems.

    When all other possibilities have been eliminated and idle or starting
    problems persist, replacement of the DME, or if applicable the ICM, is
    indicated.

    In many cases the cause of problems will be a combination of factors. So it is
    important to test and repair all of the possible causes.
    The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
    Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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      #32
      Originally posted by marshallnoise View Post
      In case it isn't obvious, that isn't good.
      lol no kidding! It isnt going in the oil so far as i can tell, and i've spent hours with a uv light and dye. I'll probably be buying a new head anyhow, I think there's a hairline crack.


      --Mike
      (OO=[][]=OO) For Life

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        #33
        Does anyone know where I can wash my engine?is there a specific place to wash engines?
        Originally posted by dvck
        I'm going to say this nicely; go fuck yourself.

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          #34
          Since we're on the topic, can anyone tell me where I can wash my car also?

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            #35
            Dick.^
            I meant having in washed professionally
            Originally posted by dvck
            I'm going to say this nicely; go fuck yourself.

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              #36
              Originally posted by itskingsteelo View Post
              Does anyone know where I can wash my engine?is there a specific place to wash engines?
              best method I found is to get some powerful degreaser with a spray bottle, take it to a self-wash stall, spray the degreaser all over the engine, and then rinse it. the self-wash will also have a degreaser setting but it might cost you more and I'm not sure whether over the counter or through the nozzle is strongest. I personally just used through the nozzle degreaser but if you want to really control what you put on your engine, how much, and the duration of the soak just bring your own. then you can soak it and scrub it down with bristle brushes and toothbrushes and etc. until you're satisfied.

              you could pay someone to do all this but it won't be inexpensive
              Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!

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                #37
                Originally posted by flyboyx View Post
                nitro's advice is good. i would follow it if i were you.

                if that doesn't work, sell the car and get a '73 pinto.
                I was thinking 74 pacer or 78 Gremlin with the 122cid (2L) 4 pot in it..............
                Originally posted by Fusion
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                  #38
                  Coolant Temp Sensor.

                  I had the same problem with the weird idle.

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                    #39
                    Think i got my idle control problem figured out, now im trupping out because my reverse lights wont come on and my brake lights stay on, even my third break light stays on all the time too. Any help?
                    Originally posted by dvck
                    I'm going to say this nicely; go fuck yourself.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by itskingsteelo View Post
                      Think i got my idle control problem figured out, now im trupping out because my reverse lights wont come on and my brake lights stay on, even my third break light stays on all the time too. Any help?
                      Check your brake light switch (above the pedal arm). If the brake lights go out when you fully depress the button, the switch just needs to be adjusted. If they won't go out unless you unplug the switch, the switch is bad.

                      The reverse light problem with be the reverse switch on the right side of a manual, the reverse switch in the shifter of an auto, or a wiring problem (likely under the console).


                      As to cleaning the engine...

                      When faced with a dirty engine and/or engine bay the process I use is:

                      1) Start with a hot engine and get front of the car up on jack stands. Several
                      large pieces of cardboard under the engine area will soak up the grunge and
                      help prevent stains.

                      2) Using a putty knife, screw driver, etc., scrape off any heavy
                      deposits. Most of that will be on the lower part of the engine and you'll have
                      to get to it from underneath.

                      3) Spray a mixture of Gunk and diesel or kerosense on using a garden sprayer.

                      4) Scrub every thing you can reach using plastic bristle brushes on painted
                      surfaces and wire brushes on bare metal. Work heavily caked areas again with
                      the scrapers. Spray on more solvent mixture as needed.

                      5) Re-fill the sprayer with any concentrated detergent (Simple Green, pressure
                      washer detergent, etc) and spray everything down.

                      6) Using a garden hose set for a gentle spray, or better yet a plant watering
                      wand, wash down the engine and engine bay. You want to avoid any high pressure
                      spray as that may force water into places that you don't want it.

                      7) Spray on more detergent and go over everything with the brushes, then
                      repeat (6).

                      8) Leave the hood open and allow the engine bay to dry for at least 8 hours
                      before starting the engine.

                      Notes: Having the engine hot will make oil and grease easier to wash off and
                      the residual heat will help dry out any water that reaches electrical
                      parts. You won't get the cosmoline/oil stains off the valve cover on an m20/30
                      engine as they are baked on. The best way to clean up the valve cover is to
                      have it bead blasted or hot tanked, but you can get most of it off with paint
                      remover (with the cover off the engine).
                      The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                      Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                        #41
                        Yep brake light switch.
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by jlevie View Post
                          Check your brake light switch (above the pedal arm). If the brake lights go out when you fully depress the button, the switch just needs to be adjusted. If they won't go out unless you unplug the switch, the switch is bad.

                          The reverse light problem with be the reverse switch on the right side of a manual, the reverse switch in the shifter of an auto, or a wiring problem (likely under the console).


                          As to cleaning the engine...

                          When faced with a dirty engine and/or engine bay the process I use is:

                          1) Start with a hot engine and get front of the car up on jack stands. Several
                          large pieces of cardboard under the engine area will soak up the grunge and
                          help prevent stains.

                          2) Using a putty knife, screw driver, etc., scrape off any heavy
                          deposits. Most of that will be on the lower part of the engine and you'll have
                          to get to it from underneath.

                          3) Spray a mixture of Gunk and diesel or kerosense on using a garden sprayer.

                          4) Scrub every thing you can reach using plastic bristle brushes on painted
                          surfaces and wire brushes on bare metal. Work heavily caked areas again with
                          the scrapers. Spray on more solvent mixture as needed.

                          5) Re-fill the sprayer with any concentrated detergent (Simple Green, pressure
                          washer detergent, etc) and spray everything down.

                          6) Using a garden hose set for a gentle spray, or better yet a plant watering
                          wand, wash down the engine and engine bay. You want to avoid any high pressure
                          spray as that may force water into places that you don't want it.

                          7) Spray on more detergent and go over everything with the brushes, then
                          repeat (6).

                          8) Leave the hood open and allow the engine bay to dry for at least 8 hours
                          before starting the engine.

                          Notes: Having the engine hot will make oil and grease easier to wash off and
                          the residual heat will help dry out any water that reaches electrical
                          parts. You won't get the cosmoline/oil stains off the valve cover on an m20/30
                          engine as they are baked on. The best way to clean up the valve cover is to
                          have it bead blasted or hot tanked, but you can get most of it off with paint
                          remover (with the cover off the engine).
                          thanks for the help. im going to get to it today.
                          Originally posted by dvck
                          I'm going to say this nicely; go fuck yourself.

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                            #43
                            A perfectly running M20 in top shape is pretty damn awesome if youve ever driven one. I think there are a lot of motors on their last legs and neglected and that may be the reason some dont like them.
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                              #44
                              Originally posted by blunttech View Post
                              A perfectly running M20 in top shape is pretty damn awesome if youve ever driven one. I think there are a lot of motors on their last legs and neglected and that may be the reason some dont like them.
                              I agree and say the same thing about all the bushings and etc. I think people compare 25 year old rubber to poly and haven't really had a chance to experience brand new OE
                              Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!

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                                #45
                                I think i might have an exhaust leak :(
                                Originally posted by dvck
                                I'm going to say this nicely; go fuck yourself.

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