6/83 grey market 323i.. mtech I S50 5-lug

[CorvallisBMW]

Yes when r12 hits the atmosphere and evaporates the fumes it gives off is the same as Agent Orange used back in Nam

[ThatOneEuroE30]

6/83 grey market 323i.. mtech I S50 5-lug

From my school presentations i am. Thats what they said during my 8 hour lectures.

[kronus]

Did Dino get your r12 evacuated?

haven't gotten to it yet. lemons race and some life got in the way..

[pandaboo911]

haven't gotten to it yet. lemons race and some life got in the way..

Lemme know cause I might buy it off him as soon as he sucks it out :)

[bradnic]

Serious, I know a few shop owners that would love the stuff. Not small bottles Talking shop size so the can properly fill systems.

R12 still works very effectively and heck I'd love to have a working ac system in my E30 m3.

Add a parallel flow condensor for $100
Replace seals evap valve and drier $75
Leak check evac and fill

Enjoy your cold R134A without destroying the ozone layer

[CorvallisBMW]

From my school presentations i am. Thats what they said during my 8 hour lectures.

You sure they weren't talking about phosgene, the stuff you create if you MIG/TIG over brake cleaner?

R12 is R12, no matter whether it's in a sealed, pressurized system or floating around in the atmosphere. In fact it's completely inert, nonflammable, and nontoxic. The reason it was phased out of production was because it is extremely damaging to the ozone layer, like all CFCs.

[ThatOneEuroE30]

6/83 grey market 323i.. mtech I S50 5-lug

You sure they weren't talking about phosgene, the stuff you create if you MIG/TIG over brake cleaner?



R12 is R12, no matter whether it's in a sealed, pressurized system or floating around in the atmosphere. In fact it's completely inert, nonflammable, and nontoxic. The reason it was phased out of production was because it is extremely damaging to the ozone layer, like all CFCs.

No its once it gets boiled and turns into a vapor that it gets to that. The chemical gas it turns into is comparable to agent orange. Thats just what instructor said. He could be wrong but he's been there for quite a while so would think he knows his stuff

[CorvallisBMW]

No its once it gets boiled and turns into a vapor that it gets to that. The chemical gas it turns into is comparable to agent orange. Thats just what instructor said. He could be wrong but he's been there for quite a while so would think he knows his stuff

Interesting. I worked as a refrigeration engineer for years, and I have both my RETA-CIRO and EPA Section 609 certs. In all of my years I've never heard or read anything about R12 (or any CFC refrigerant) turning toxic. In fact that's why CFC refrigerants were invented: as a safe and nonhazardous alternative to other refrigerants such as H2, NH3, etc.

It was even used as a propellent in medical inhalers, Silly String, and other aerosol-based products. If the gas or vapor were poisonous, there'd be a lot of dead patients/kids/painters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichlorodifluoromethane

[ThatOneEuroE30]

Interesting. I worked as a refrigeration engineer for years, and I have both my RETA-CIRO and EPA Section 609 certs. In all of my years I've never heard or read anything about R12 (or any CFC refrigerant) turning toxic. In fact that's why CFC refrigerants were invented: as a safe and nonhazardous alternative to other refrigerants such as H2, NH3, etc.



It was even used as a propellent in medical inhalers, Silly String, and other aerosol-based products. If the gas or vapor were poisonous, there'd be a lot of dead patients/kids/painters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dichlorodifluoromethane

You make a valid point. Its entirely possible he is wrong and could of mis interpreted that for something else. He is an old man and admits it.

[pandaboo911]

Agent orange is a combination of herbicides. Has nothing to do with r12.

The only thing toxic r12 does is release chlorine gas when it's struck by UV radiation, but that doesn't happen until it's in the upper atmosphere.

[kronus]

it's time for the bi-annual update!

scored a pretty clean front subframe from wworm, stuck it in the parts washer and sandblasted relevant areas in prep for motor mount and sway bar reinforcements.



these plates went in first:




these followed:





I like to finish these seam welds:





sway bar mount reinforcement brackets also went in but I forgot to take photos of those.


stay tuned for the next update, in March of 2018!

[pandaboo911]

Holy shit a progress update.

I'll have to make one too now.

[kronus]

right??

I also made an unwise promise, something to the effect of "rabble rabble, the white car will move under its own power before the end of the year"

:drink:

[2mAn]

You also lost the bet about the Aluminum Monster having CA plates...

Its currently getting SLOW318 according to the new owner haha

[kronus]

did it actually get bar'd?