Zen e30 Loxer X Brace $269.00

[DCColegrove]

Ouch.

No pain...

But aparently the kid's not familliar with Copyright law (Title 17 of the United States Code)

[Farbin Kaiber]

Ouch. Sucks to see grassroots guys getting nudged out of the way by bigger companies selling the same product.

[heelN'toe joe]

You should be expecting a call from John Mason... I'm keeping the picture...

...and I'm dropping the price to $225 each.

http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62104

[DCColegrove]

Looks like Carr Industries has you beat by $4 @ $265 now...

http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62104

CARR hasn't beat the finish quality though and doesn't even know what they are talking about.

Looks like you're from CARR... (You've already been ratted out with your screen name)

Did you take down the images yet?

[heelN'toe joe]

Looks like Carr Industries has you beat by $4 @ $265 now...

http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62104

[DCColegrove]

So you "created" this x-brace, in trade for him fabbing them for you he gets to sell your design to someone else? And, you end up supply of hardware and finish coating?

Not just my design, it was joint. I don't own the design.

Edit: I just got an e-mail from someone that told me CARR only has one that they bought off of John...hell who knows what is what....

[Farbin Kaiber]

So you "created" this x-brace, in trade for him fabbing them for you he gets to sell your design to someone else? And, you end up supply of hardware and finish coating?

[DCColegrove]

Looks like either Mr. Mason is moving them to CARR, or someone stole the design. Someone call Mr. Lukas. We can have a battle of the Mr.'s

No, no stolen design....

John is selling them to CARR....

Just business.

But it did allow me to lower the price on mine (I'm beating CARRs GB on E30tech by a buck)

[DCColegrove]

man those steering rack tabs are pretty weak point to be mounting a brace to, if that is the case.

So far I haven't broken one yet, and belive me...I tried.

[Farbin Kaiber]

So how did Carr get the rights to sell these and what materials are you each using respectively?

Looks like either Mr. Mason is moving them to CARR, or someone stole the design. Someone call Mr. Lukas. We can have a battle of the Mr.'s

[Fidhle007]

John is the fabricator on these. We did the R&D on these together.

I fabricated the first pattern prototype and did all the on car prototype testing and the finished brace testing and we worked out the bugs as a team.

I have him make them for me to the specifications and out of the material I want in the Zen Braces. I finish them and supply the hardware.

So how did Carr get the rights to sell these and what materials are you each using respectively?

[bottlecape30]

man those steering rack tabs are pretty weak point to be mounting a brace to, if that is the case.

[maniacmatt]

Where does it mount exactly on the subframe? Looks to me like its the bolts for the steering rack is this correct?

If this is the case don't most aftermarket skid plates also use those bolts as a mounting point?

Can this be used in conjunction with a skid plate or is it a one or the other deal?

[DCColegrove]

John is the fabricator on these. We did the R&D on these together.

I fabricated the first pattern prototype and did all the on car prototype testing and the finished brace testing and we worked out the bugs as a team.

I have him make them for me to the specifications and out of the material I want in the Zen Braces. I finish them and supply the hardware.

[Fidhle007]

How exactly is it different, especially if they're all being made by Mr. Mason?