exhaust manifold for Calif BAR ?

[The Dark Side of Will]

Thats the other problem however. CA Bar states you cannot use an SUV/truck engine into a passenger car. So you cant say its an x5 engine.

Oops... yeah, I forgot about the truck/car goofiness when I wrote that.

Ref won't have any problems figuring out that e34/e34 manifolds are different from e39/x5 manifods...I mean they are totally different.

The big question is not "Can someone who knows tell the difference", but rather "Can the ref tell what is correct for what engine you CLAIM to have".

IOW... it's all about what you tell the ref you have. If you tell him it's from a '94 540i, then he shouldn't be able to find evidence confirming anything you have is from something else.

If he can't find a part number on the manifold that tells him you have the "wrong" manifolds, how is he going to know you have the wrong manifolds?

He DOES have to be able to verify that the catalysts match the engine you claim... which basically dictates what manifolds you can use, because those manifolds have to mate up to the unmodified catalyst...

Unless you can get a ref who has some common sense and understands that rerouting pipes is NOT an emissions disaster.

And what about the guys building franken-motors M62 hybrid cross with M60?

Remove all external indications that the block is a 4.4 (IE, grind off the "4.4" cast on the side of the block, remove VIN stickers showing it's not from the year you claim, etc.) and get the swap smogged as an M60 (OBDI).

HAS ANYONE TRIED BUILDING A 3-JOINT STEERING SHAFT THAT GOES AROUND THE MANIFOLD?

[crappycoco]

Hmm, could you pass the Hartge H26 exhaust manifold as stock? Technically it was stock =D

[Jean]

I only speaking from the experience with my m30b35 swap that I went through with BAR...they look at exhaust, that is one thing they will not skip over, and intake side. Basically all the emission stuff they look and compare with papers.

I didn't have any issues with m30b35 swap, but the m60 swap is different. If you can fit the stock e32/e34 m60 manifolds, try it. People go with m62 e39/x5 manifolds because they are compact, but they have cats welded to them that you'll have to cut off and re-shape the pipes , no way around that. Example - http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show...&postcount=194

So, it's a small gamble.

Passing m62 is the same deal as passing s52 as mentioned above.

[36brua]

And what about the guys building franken-motors M62 hybrid cross with M60?

I'd say good luck. Some of these CAL. M60 swaps are track only, and there may be a few 'handshake' smog test stations around. Can also be dependent on your location in CA. some of the less populated areas have less stringent requirements for the smog test.Testing is req'd every 2 yrs. I'm in SF Bay area, but a BAR cert is same across the state.
Since the M60 manifolds don't fit without heavy massaging - modified equipment-it could be iffy, and as said X5 are best buut single vs dual outlet,truck etc..I'm still contemplating giving it a go
So a BAR inspection on this swap in and E30 is like Clint Eastwood said --you feeling lucky ???

[alco]

And what about the guys building franken-motors M62 hybrid cross with M60?

[filthiest e30]

So wait, I'm building my car in NYS which is soon to be taking on more of the CARB regs. For example we can no longer re-use catalytic converters or buy third party cats. It must be OEM, whatever that means these days.

So moving to California (fiance and I would like to in the next year or so) I won't be able to register my car as a result of these minor modifications?

So here is what I know about getting a car bar'd from getting a m50 e30 bar'd in california (I might be wrong.) EVERYTHING has to be stock from the MAF all the way to the cats (you can use CA certified cats, I using walkers on the m50 right now) but the m62 might be a lot harder to get bar'd in CA because it is OBD2, which means you CAN NOT OBD1 convert it and get it bar'd in CA legally at lease. I have seen guys pass off a s52(OBD2) as a s50(OBD2) because the bar referee couldn't tell the difference. but if you get caught doing that you are f@#ked. So in my opinion the only doable option in CA for a BMW v8 is a M60. Again I might be wrong, this is what I know from my experience.

[alco]

I should specify that I am using an M62 with E39/X5 headers with as little modification as possible. I know it is said that they must be modified or they won't work but does this mean I should quit now?

[alco]

So wait, I'm building my car in NYS which is soon to be taking on more of the CARB regs. For example we can no longer re-use catalytic converters or buy third party cats. It must be OEM, whatever that means these days.

So moving to California (fiance and I would like to in the next year or so) I won't be able to register my car as a result of these minor modifications?

[filthiest e30]

thanks guys for the help I am a total n00b in the v8 swap world! I have done a lot of searching on r3v and read all though the info on garagistic website (great info btw.) But I have seen pictures like this http://wp1016621.server-he.de/fotost/f01791/08.jpg that show show two header outputs on both sides. can some please explain?
sorry if i am completely missing something!

[garagistic]

hi, I am also looking in to doing a bar'd m60 swap.
I was wondering what modification you would have to do to the car/steering and/or the m60 headers to make it work?
I have searched around a bit for this but I can not find anything on it. someone must have done this?

Some pictures/instructions on the modifications needed:

http://garagistic.com/index.php?page=m6x-e30-v8-headers-exhaust

This setup will clear shipping however it WILL NOT PASS BAR!

[Jean]

hi, I am also looking in to doing a bar'd m60 swap.
I was wondering what modification you would have to do to the car/steering and/or the m60 headers to make it work?
I have searched around a bit for this but I can not find anything on it. someone must have done this?

You have to cut/weld the OBD2 manifolds to fit. Search again, this has been covered many times.

[filthiest e30]

hi, I am also looking in to doing a bar'd m60 swap.
I was wondering what modification you would have to do to the car/steering and/or the m60 headers to make it work?
I have searched around a bit for this but I can not find anything on it. someone must have done this?

[Jean]

The late model E39 540i vanos manifolds are the same iirc.

But, yes, getting M60 through bar is basically a lotto. There are NO headers out that that fit w/o modifications...so it will be up to the REF to care that you cut/welded it a bit.

Ref won't have any problems figuring out that e34/e34 manifolds are different from e39/x5 manifods...I mean they are totally different.

[garagistic]

It has to be the same equipment used with the engine... So if you use X5 manifolds because that's what fit, then you need to use X5 engine (only M62TU, right?) and DME (and all the other emissions equipment)

I don't think you're allowed to modify the manifolds at all, but that may be up to the ref who certifies your car.

Thats the other problem however. CA Bar states you cannot use an SUV/truck engine into a passenger car. So you cant say its an x5 engine.

[slammin.e28]

So, are they going to have a little book of pictures of the various engines that came in each car and the nuances that make them different (X5 vs E34/32 exhaust manis)?