3.2l non-vanos anyone ever build one?

[Jean]

I just talked to Bob Shields last week while looking for a cage welder in SC. We got to talking for quite a while about engine setups in E30's and comparing some notes about my old 24v 318is and the M60 car he recently built. He had some great things to say about the V8 and loves the swap. His stock V8 was pulling 5-6mph more than my 235whp 3.0 on the back straight just before the kink...which is really impressive if you know the track.

I think you'll really enjoy the M60. My brothers stock 540i/6 e34 is very potent and that's in a 3600+ pound package with a 2.82 rear end!

And it sound lovely I bet too!!!

[gregslow318i]

Then boost it. :)

that is the plan

[416stroker]

Then boost it. :)

[gregslow318i]

ok looks like a m52 2.8l short bock just fell into my lab so I tink I am going to give it a shot. 2.8 nvm50

[SpecM]

Shame Micah, I was gonna say I have a brand new 84 bore headgasket, valve cover and front end gaskets that are yours!

Don't rub it in, Stu

I have no 24v, and still a slushbox

[Stu]

I just talked to Bob Shields last week while looking for a cage welder in SC. We got to talking for quite a while about engine setups in E30's and comparing some notes about my old 24v 318is and the M60 car he recently built. He had some great things to say about the V8 and loves the swap. His stock V8 was pulling 5-6mph more than my 235whp 3.0 on the back straight just before the kink...which is really impressive if you know the track.

I think you'll really enjoy the M60. My brothers stock 540i/6 e34 is very potent and that's in a 3600+ pound package with a 2.82 rear end!

[gregslow318i]

you guys need to stop giving me bad ideas I haven't even finished my m60 swap and now I am thinking about going back to a m50... only wish I could drive more than one car at a time

[Stu]

Shame Micah, I was gonna say I have a brand new 84 bore headgasket, valve cover and front end gaskets that are yours!

[SpecM]

What machine work on the m50 block would be needed?

none, m54's have the same bore (84mm) as m50s

[Farbin Kaiber]

Someone offered me an e34 m50nv motor one time... and another man had a e39 530i short block that the head bolt holes were stripped out in, so was going to let me have it for like $100 (the cost of a crank core)...

I'm thinking m54b30 crank, rods and pistons in a m50 block with an NV head and swapped cams would be SICK

but the e34 motor locked up two weeks later, and the e39's was turned in for a core, before I could jump on them....

What machine work on the m50 block would be needed?

[SpecM]

Someone offered me an e34 m50nv motor one time... and another man had a e39 530i short block that the head bolt holes were stripped out in, so was going to let me have it for like $100 (the cost of a crank core)...

I'm thinking m54b30 crank, rods and pistons in a m50 block with an NV head and swapped cams would be SICK

but the e34 motor locked up two weeks later, and the e39's was turned in for a core, before I could jump on them....

[Stu]

240/240? I thought the stock cams were asymmetric? Thus swapping the more aggressive intake cam to the exhaust side and getting a more aggressive custom ground intake cam..

As an aside, my condolences about your dad. Believe it or not, I remember reading your impressions on the S50 you guys stuck in that 318is years and years ago, probably back when I was a freshman, or still in high school. Definitely a grave loss for both your family, friends and the E30 community.

Stock cams on the Non-VANOS motors were 240/240 degree, I think lift was 9.7 intake and 9.2 exhaust but you'll want to double check that. The Schrick intake was 252 or 256 with 10+ lift; the trick was to put the high lift 240 on the exhaust and the Schrick on the intake then degree in the cams -- roughly the same timing as stock 3.0/3.2 camshafts. Stock M50 VANOS motors were 228/228 but I don't know the lift off hand.

Thanks for the condolences, much appreciated.

[Wh33lhop]

Stock for stock, the TU motor is a little faster than the NV since it's got more area under the curve.

However it also had less aggressive cams stock and wasn't as "fun" (didn't "pick up" at high rpm like M20B25s and M50NVs do). It didn't FEEL quite as fast since there wasn't the sensation of increasing torque, the torque is always there through more of the rev range.

I'd prefer a NV, partially since I don't want to deal with the vanos complications (noise and failures), and partially because I'd like to retain some of that high-end scream of the M20.

[gregslow318i]

just an Idea since locally nv motors can be had for cheap and I have a spare 3.2 bottom end kicking around. love the way my old nv swap moved felt just as fast if not faster them my m52 car but you could really rev the crap out of them and they just kept going....and going and going...

[Wh33lhop]

240/240? I thought the stock cams were asymmetric? Thus swapping the more aggressive intake cam to the exhaust side and getting a more aggressive custom ground intake cam..

As an aside, my condolences about your dad. Believe it or not, I remember reading your impressions on the S50 you guys stuck in that 318is years and years ago, probably back when I was a freshman, or still in high school. Definitely a grave loss for both your family, friends and the E30 community.