Ethanol feedback...

[rwh11385]

It is crazy times. But the 80's times were much different. You did not have corp. greed as bad as you do today. Back then CEOs of companies made 9 to 1 ratio to a normal employee. Today its 20 to 1 +. The CEOs of the gas companies each made upwards of $57 million dollars last year. Im sorry no one is worth that much. Also you did not have China and India in such high demand for natural resources. The Dollar was valued more than the inflated dollar of today. There are a lot of things that play into the price of oil today. Not just our needs but we now compete on a world market.

And 3% is 3%. It all adds up.

As in another thread - China's demand for gas is growing 7.5% a year, 7x ours. INSANE.

Low interest rates, borrowing from abroad, euro's strength, trade imbalance (a lot because of oil and cheap chinese shit)... it added up.

3% less energy for ~10% cheaper gas sounds like a deal.

[z31maniac]

^Shit what are you talking about.

Decrease cost and increase sales. You'd have to go to an ivy league school for that, or at least Purdue.

[Vedubin01]

these are crazy times and perhaps we would have been wiser to have higher taxes on gas for all those years to encourage more mpg-efficient cars and technologies instead of SUVs. oh well. or look ahead to the effects of india and china in the long run.

no more lead, no more MTBE... move on and enjoy the better environment. hell, maybe even get a turbo import and tune it for E85 and more power and look on the bright side instead of being nostalgic

I doubt anyone can honestly say they truly notice the ~3% btu difference between gas and E10 with their mpg.

It is crazy times. But the 80's times were much different. You did not have corp. greed as bad as you do today. Back then CEOs of companies made 9 to 1 ratio to a normal employee. Today its 20 to 1 +. The CEOs of the gas companies each made upwards of $57 million dollars last year. Im sorry no one is worth that much. Also you did not have China and India in such high demand for natural resources. The Dollar was valued more than the inflated dollar of today. There are a lot of things that play into the price of oil today. Not just our needs but we now compete on a world market.

And 3% is 3%. It all adds up.

[DCColegrove]

oh I remember those days as well. I can even remember gas being under the .80 cents per gal for most of my childhood. Those were the good old days for sure!

When I started driving gas was $1.27 (1980 or so) everyone was shitting a brick about the price.

Now it's really quite something else...First time in my life I've ever had a doubt that I'd make it.

So much of our economy is based on the price of fuel.

[rwh11385]

oh I remember those days as well. I can even remember gas being under the .80 cents per gal for most of my childhood. Those were the good old days for sure!

these are crazy times and perhaps we would have been wiser to have higher taxes on gas for all those years to encourage more mpg-efficient cars and technologies instead of SUVs. oh well. or look ahead to the effects of india and china in the long run.

no more lead, no more MTBE... move on and enjoy the better environment. hell, maybe even get a turbo import and tune it for E85 and more power and look on the bright side instead of being nostalgic

I doubt anyone can honestly say they truly notice the ~3% btu difference between gas and E10 with their mpg.

[Vedubin01]

oh I remember those days as well. I can even remember gas being under the .80 cents per gal for most of my childhood. Those were the good old days for sure!

[DCColegrove]

I'm old enough to have pumped good old leaded 94 octane, then MTBE 92, and now this stuff.

When fuels switched from MTBE to Ethanol to regulate octane within that year I replaced more Fuel Pumps, Fuel Pressure Regualtors, Lines, Hoses, Injectors...Than ever before.

Ethanol Blends are by far less efficient (MPG drop)

On the bright side since then e21s with their K/CIS injection have all but gone totally extinct the alcohol destroyed the fuel systems on these right quick (I hated the e21 CIS BS).

[z31maniac]

yeah... all cars today are approved for up to 10% ethanol so don't you worry your small little brain of yours about that.

Yes they are, but degradation of the parts is still increased. Fuel permeation is still present in the new fuel hoses, etc etc etc

[rwh11385]

Yup, when the ethanol strips the protective coatings in the fuel system, then the water ends up in the bottom of the tank and rusts it, I would definitely consider that a good thing.

yeah... all cars today are approved for up to 10% ethanol so don't you worry your small little brain of yours about that.

[z31maniac]

ethanol doesn't cause any problems, especially at such a low concentration. 5-10% is actually good for your fuel system as it displaces water in the winter time and keeps things slightly cleaner

Yup, when the ethanol strips the protective coatings in the fuel system, then the water ends up in the bottom of the tank and rusts it, I would definitely consider that a good thing.

[Vedubin01]

Chevron does not have Ethanol in their gas as of yet. Ethanol mix burns about 300 btu's colder and thus worse gas mileage. Chevron is my gas of choice.

[cyrmanj]

ethanol which is not and reasonable cheap and better for environment / country

+ 1

[Farbin Kaiber]

SoCal pump.

[rwh11385]

here in florida all of the pumps now say "contains as much as 10 percent ethanol". im not sure how long theyve been doing it, but ive slowly seen the stations add this sticker to their pumps over the past couple of years. i havent had any problems with it.

the labels are in a lot of places as at least 30% of the nation's gas is E10. It's part of the RFS policy and one of the reasons gas is cheaper than it could be currently. also, why the USA is now the top ethanol producer in the world.

the main advantage is in places that require RFG (reformulated gas) with either MTBE which is carcinogenic or ethanol which is not and reasonable cheap and better for environment / country

http://www.epa.gov/OMS/rfg/whereyoulive.htm

If you live in red, you are already getting 10% ethanol pretty assumably

[lennon]

here in florida all of the pumps now say "contains as much as 10 percent ethanol". im not sure how long theyve been doing it, but ive slowly seen the stations add this sticker to their pumps over the past couple of years. i havent had any problems with it.