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    Brake Pedal Randomly Pulses - ABS?

    I'm sure my issue is related to the ABS because the ABS light on about 70% of the time. Here are the symptoms:

    When the ABS light is OFF with the car running: the brake pedal will pulse when I apply pressure to it. It feels most like somebody is tapping the back side of the pedal with a hammer. The frequency and intensity of the pulsing varies, but its sometimes very strong. It will even do this if the car is at rest with the engine running. Even worse, at the same time, it is as though the brake pedal gets so hard I can hardly push it and thus, the car will not stop quickly. I'd hate to be in a panic stop situation with the ABS light OFF.

    When the ABS light is ON with the car running: everything behaves just as it should. Go figure.

    Now, I followed completely jlevies guide to ABS testing here:
    Troubleshooting the ABS system isn't very difficult. It is a stand alone
    system that only gets input data from the brake light switch, wheel sensors and
    system power. The parts of the system are the ABS module located next to the
    steering column, the ABS relay mounted above the ABS module, the ABS unit in
    the left front of the engine bay, and a wheel speed sensor at each wheel.

    If the ABS light comes on with ignition, but doesn't go out when the engine
    starts, a wiring problem, bad module, or bad ABS relay are the likely
    candidates. A failed or weak alternator will also cause this because the
    system voltage won't rise enough. There is a fusible link inside the ABS relay
    that can be blown. The relay can be repaired, or better yet replaced.

    If the ABS light comes on when you turn on the ignition, goes out when the
    engine starts, and then comes back on before the car is moving the cause could
    be a bad module, a bad ABS unit, or a wiring fault.

    If the goes out after engine start and only comes one when the car is moving,
    there's a problem with one (or more) of the sensors. The simple test to find
    out which sensor(s) is the cause is to disconnect all but one of the sensors
    and drive the car. If the light comes on, that sensor is sending a speed
    signal to the ABS and is good. Repeat with each other sensor to find the
    one(s) that don't cause the light to come on. Since the ABS module has no
    speed input besides the wheel sensors, if only a bad sensor is connected the
    module can't tell the car is moving and thus doesn't fault on missing speed
    signals from the other wheels. Once a bad speed sensor is found, if a new
    sensor still doesn't work, there could be a wiring fault in that circuit or a
    bad input channel in the ABS unit.


    I repeated the complete test cycle three times and each time, I was able to get the ABS light to come on for each individual wheel sensor with the other 3 unplugged... the only catch is that sometimes the light didn't come on immediately when I started driving.

    Any suggestions or ideas? I know I could just throw parts at it, but it would be nice to have some direction.

    Thanks!
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    #2
    My best guess, given the symptoms, would be the ABS module.
    The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
    Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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      #3
      Originally posted by jlevie View Post
      My best guess, given the symptoms, would be the ABS module.
      That's located just underneath the headlight switch, correct? Don't know if the module is prone to failure or not, but I know there are 2-3 E30s in the local JY that I could pull an ABS module out of. Any variation over the years or are they all interchangeable? Thank you.
      '89 BMW 325is Zinnoberrot / '88 VW Jetta GLI 16v Tornado Red / '89 VW Jetta GLI 16v Tornado Red / '89 VW GTI 16v Bright Blue Metallic / '91 BMW 325i Black / '91 BMW 325i Sport Black / '92 VW GTI 16v Black / '92 VW GTI 16v Montana Green / '01 Audi A4 Avant TQM Silver Metallic / '01 VW Jetta GLX VR6 Black

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        #4
        Originally posted by Cinnabar325is View Post
        That's located just underneath the headlight switch, correct? Don't know if the module is prone to failure or not, but I know there are 2-3 E30s in the local JY that I could pull an ABS module out of. Any variation over the years or are they all interchangeable? Thank you.
        Yes, the module is behind the ignition switch. I think you can use the module from any E30.
        The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
        Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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          #5
          UPDATE: I replaced my ABS module with one from the junkyard. Same problems are still occurring with no difference.

          I don't know for certain the new module works, but...

          Interested to hear any other thoughts, thanks!
          '89 BMW 325is Zinnoberrot / '88 VW Jetta GLI 16v Tornado Red / '89 VW Jetta GLI 16v Tornado Red / '89 VW GTI 16v Bright Blue Metallic / '91 BMW 325i Black / '91 BMW 325i Sport Black / '92 VW GTI 16v Black / '92 VW GTI 16v Montana Green / '01 Audi A4 Avant TQM Silver Metallic / '01 VW Jetta GLX VR6 Black

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            #6
            Same thing I'm experiencing right now. It's VERY light though. More of a pulse than a tap.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Cinnabar325is View Post
              UPDATE: I replaced my ABS module with one from the junkyard. Same problems are still occurring with no difference.

              I don't know for certain the new module works, but...

              Interested to hear any other thoughts, thanks!
              Well, there is one part left. Swap the ABS unit.
              The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
              Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                #8
                I am in the same boat. I have a spare ABS computer to throw in just for kicks but I am pretty sure the problem is the pump. The problem happened after I re-did my brakes and perhaps backfeeding the ABS pump with fluid caused some internal fubars to occur.

                I will update once I replace my ABS unit, computer, relay, etc to help posterity know what the fix is.

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                  #9
                  Maybe the relay? I'm guessing here, but if the fusible link wire is intermittently shorting it might do some weird things. Bend back the crimps on the relay, and open it up. The hair thin wire at the base might be toast. Or just grab one from the junkyard.

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                    #10
                    I wouldn't think the pump would cause this. The pump only has actuators and valves in it, no control devices. Something has to be telling the pump to turn on at the incorrect time.

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                      #11
                      I've seen really strange things that wound up being the ABS unit. There isn't just a whole lot to the ABS system, so if the wheel speed sensors check out and replacement of the ABS module doesn't help, the only part left is the ABS unit.
                      The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                      Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                        #12
                        OT a little, but is there a way to bench test the abs hydraulic unit off the car? Apply 12 volts to a pin or something?

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                          #13
                          I'm sure there is a way to test the ABS unit, but I suspect it requires a test rig. That would place testing outside of what a DIY'er can do.
                          The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                          Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                            #14
                            This is due to failed ABS relays:

                            If you're experiencing an ABS issue where the brake pedal causes the ABS to pulsate or activate even when the vehicle is idle, the likely culprit is a failed ABS module relay. The good news is that these relays are straightforward to replace. There are three relays that control the entire ABS system: An ABS
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