A thought on "stance"

[Nick_S]

It's just a different form of expression for modding a car. Sure I think it's a bit stupid and ruins the way a car drives for sake of looking cool parked...but really I could care less. I think they're fun to look at.

[VinniE30]

Very well said James. I agree.
And the "haters gonna hate" thing is really getting old.
When we don't allow people do hate on other peoples' cars is when we turn into just another nut-hugging circlejerk forum that says nothing but nice things with no criticism and flaming. One of the things I like the most about r3v is that it's relatively uncensored and people say pretty much exactly what they mean with no filter. One of the best things about the internet is that people are blunt and honest, no sugarcoating. Lets keep it that way.

[agent]

While I agree with everything James said (aside from not caring how the car looks because mine isn't a purpose-built track car), there is a positive some of us can take away from all the cars undergoing these silly modifications: they're making well-sorted OEM+ examples that much more valuable.

[James Crivellone]

My thoughts on Stance have always been pretty much the same ever since I began to notice it.

Its Stupid and Pointless.

Yes I do piss off some people with that statement, and i honestly could careless what people do with their cars (they have every right to do whatever) but I do not see the point whatsoever.

My Mtech is as low as I would want it to me, still has a fairly uniform space around the front tire, little tuck in the rear, and its low enough where I need to worry about every freaking thing I drive over.

Seeing these cars slammed to the ground, tucking front tire as well, crazy stretched tires, rolled fenders that stick out just don't do it for me.

These cars were designed to handle, were designed to drive, and nobody here will convince me a stretched tire is a good way to roll. Hell some of them have over an inch from the edge of the rim to the actual start of the damn sidewall.. Really?

Now I do care about suspension, don't get me wrong, but going through tons of oil pans, scraping everywhere, and in general just destroying the quality of a car is not my idea of "well built"

My thought on ride height and adjustability falls under my racing background, where ride height, compression, rebound, camber, toe all effect how a car performs at the limit. I could care less how the thing looks, as long as it drives around the track as fast / faster as the other guys.

Harsh I know, and I know many people who have stanced out rides and by no mean any disrepect for them, I just think its stupid. Just like many think my fake kopi alpinas are dumb, or how I spent money on an M20 stroker versus just doing an S50 swap.

Opinions are like assholes, we have all them, and most of the time they stink.

[FunfGan]

Hi. I'm just here to point out that, even if he raises it up an inch for autocross, Byron's car is still lower than most bagged e30's :)


Beyond that, my opinions on stance have already been expressed in this thread.

[Pl3wA]

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[ohthejosh]

Everyone has there own like & dislikes as it has been stated. I don't get the hate some people have for it and I do mean "hate" lol. Not criticism but full blown I wanna smash your skull in with a tire iron hate.

My personal liking is towards ride height and wheel fitment. I am not a fan of camber. If I can I would try to keep it as straight and "flush" to the body of the car. Lately some opinions of fellow r3vers have made me like the meaty tires on wheels look over the stretch and poke.

This is perfect to me;

[ramielm]

ok that oni camber shit is fucking rediculos...those are the new generation ricers

[mbonanni]

I don't see your point. Grind through that bitch.

[Vivek]

With an oil pan that low a skid plate would sit on the ground. Assuming your motor mounts are in good shape, they're designed to sit about an inch from the pan.

[mbonanni]

Get a skidplate.

Still won't fix your problem of having no balls. ;)

[Vivek]

Raised up an inch I still only have 1.25" of clearance, so I'd still call it "stanced". Don't sell me too short ;)

So you drive around with your oil pan 1/4" off the ground? I honestly love your car's stance, I just don't have the balls to drive that low.


And OP--I have an e30 that can either do a bad job of going fast, or a great job of looking good. I try to balance them both, and I'm currently getting parts and such to redo the entire suspension. I picked performance rates, and I'm paying for strictly performance parts (like an X-brace) because I want the car to be fun and still be able to take a corner, but at the end of the day form trumps function for me. Verts are super fun, and I don't need to be able to round a corner as fast as everyone else to still have fun with it. Even a pretty slammed e30 will outhandle the vast, vast majority of cars on the road.

[E30SPDFRK]

I agree with you there, oni camber looks rediculous. Luckily it doesn't seem to have caught on too well in the states. I wouldn't really call that "stance" either, more like "flattened matchbox".

[Rsully70sev]

Appriciate the complement.

I actually think that GS is pretty tasteful compared to most of the VIP scene. It has a bit too much camber in the back, but it's bagged and was never meant to be a performance car.

I'm contradicting my previous post here, yes it looks good, no it was never meant to be a performance car, but that rear just kills it for me. I guess I was trying to refer to something along these lines...I mean...really?

[Rsully70sev]

It's cool seeing families get into the car scene as well. Just like a family with multiple E30's (One for mom, dad, etc) is awesome in our eyes, there's others that embrace the "stanced or bagged" lifestyle as well. As seen here at a local photo shoot. A bagged Audi for dad and a bagged minivan for mom lol, it's just what they are into.