wtf is up with m42swaps?

[Cronopoulos]

race wars

[mikeedler]

in all honesty, how much lighter can an M42 be in comparison to the M20? can't be much- the complete cars.. o.k. there is a difference.

I just do not understand how someone can say a car with minimal weight difference and 40 hp less is faster or better than another e30 with said M20. maybe it can get around a corner a smallest bit faster, but remove A/C in said M20 and you are at the same weight with 40hp more......

throw a cheap cam and some headers on said M20 and it runs that much better too. cams for M42?

[JinormusJ]

Funny
I thought the same exact thing

[lolcantturn]

You didn't show me a video of an m42 doing 0-60 in 8 seconds:
What you showed me was a chunky tire'd 318 doing 0-65 (which is 0-60 actual on BMWs) in a tad bit over 10 seconds, but I factored in the mistakes and whatever other excuse you could come up with and generously gave you 9 seconds. Even if you have 8 seconds, BMW official spec numbers is still 7.4, and m20s are still indeed faster

I don't know how many more times you want to prove your ignorance ITT
Please stop spewing misinformation and stick with the facts please

Yeah, I don't care what the magazines say. That's not true.

I was surprised to learn it myself, having fun in my first lightly-modded 325is vs a similar 318is. His bumper was at my b-pillar- not a "win" in my mind.

It's proven true since I've been in an m42 car- I've cut more time with good handling mods than an m20 can make with the extra power it has (NA vs same).

I was going to respond to Jinormus' post, but then I read DK post, and then DK's signature, and that's all I really had to do.

[Danny]

Jesus Christ...

[decay]

A 1989 325is 0-60 is 7.4 seconds
A 1991 318is 01-60 is 10.1 seconds

Yeah, I don't care what the magazines say. That's not true.

I was surprised to learn it myself, having fun in my first lightly-modded 325is vs a similar 318is. His bumper was at my b-pillar- not a "win" in my mind.

It's proven true since I've been in an m42 car- I've cut more time with good handling mods than an m20 can make with the extra power it has (NA vs same).

[mikeedler]

I love how you guys with zero experience behind the wheel of an m42 car assume that you have any idea wtf you are talking about.

I love how people who have no idea what they are talking about tell others what they know. I drove this car for over a year.

I have probably owned more e30s than you have seen.

[JinormusJ]

I showed you an actual video of an E30 doing it in 2 seconds under that.

You didn't show me a video of an m42 doing 0-60 in 8 seconds:
What you showed me was a chunky tire'd 318 doing 0-65 (which is 0-60 actual on BMWs) in a tad bit over 10 seconds, but I factored in the mistakes and whatever other excuse you could come up with and generously gave you 9 seconds. Even if you have 8 seconds, BMW official spec numbers is still 7.4, and m20s are still indeed faster

I don't know how many more times you want to prove your ignorance ITT
Please stop spewing misinformation and stick with the facts please

[Ryann]

m20s..need less time to be worked on.

How does a timing belt engine with adjustable valves and a distributor need less maintenance? I'm confused.

[lolcantturn]

Both need a form if FI to beat a minivan.

And there you go, that's how the M42 vs M20 debate should always end heh:D

[F34R]

This will become a never ending debate between m20 and m42 guys lol.

It will end after all the 4 bangers get their peace in about weight ratios over the front axle etc. Simple fact is the m20 is also tore out in favor of much better plants. Both are good, m20 combos are just faster and need less time to be worked on. Both are slow as fuck. Both need a form if FI to beat a minivan.

[lolcantturn]

Or you could do what I am, just own a M42 car and a M20 car heh.

[Balleristic31]

This will become a never ending debate between m20 and m42 guys lol.

[lolcantturn]

Ad hoc statements are dismissed in debate, hence why your video is irrelevant; Show me cold hard facts, AKA, Numbers, then we can talk.

Yes. You showed me numbers, 10.1 seconds that you dug up from somewhere, I showed you an actual video of an E30 doing it in 2 seconds under that. What is more conclusive?

[JinormusJ]

Ad hoc statements are dismissed in debate, hence why your video is irrelevant; Show me cold hard facts, AKA, Numbers, then we can talk.

Now, for all you other retards that can't process an argument critically and are just spewing out "he said/she said":
All I said was an m20 has more readily available torque and is indeed faster as proof by 0-60 run numbers. I never said it was better, I never said the m42 sucked. FFS, if you idiots even read my first post you'd see I pretty much hate the m20 too, it's just I hate the m42 less because it actually has use in the iS/vert capabilities (super light/perfect weight distribution)

M20s can go suck a fat one; I'd take an m20 and swap it for a 24v in a heartbeat. And even then I'd do an m54 swap over an s54 in favor of the weight distribution ratio (which is essentially the SAME exact argument here). I wouldn't mind a stock m42 in a vert, a boosted m42 in a sedan, or a stock m42 in an iS.

M20s produce crap output for how heavy they are. They needed to be putting out at least 185 for me to be moderately satisfied. The m42 is even worse on power, but it serves it's purpose better than an m20 does it's own because of the low weight of the engine. You can toss an 318, you can't toss a 325. Whichever is BETTER is personal preference; which ever is FASTER is precident set in stone: m20.