Excellent article

[JinormusJ]

Excellent article

So this is all I found
Congratulations, you won an argument on the Internet

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48810

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37757

I am an opinionated douche

[Danny]

Everyone is a dbag.

[JasonC]

It's a Chevy. :)

Got a link to its thread? Like to see more on it :)

[mulletman]

i have yet to turn a wrench on ANY of my cars so what does that make me...

A great customer.

[lambo]

And just to clarify I can't stand the S|W forums. The people there ruin it for me. But I also can't stand some of the elitist pricks in this thread.

[lambo]

Maybe that stereotype, but others still remain; I only had to browse S|W forums for a few minutes and I counted more than ample threads that list the first mod as:

"Gonna go lower guise BRB
Kut springssszz breeeaauhhhh!"

While the readers hammer down praises at his "fitment"

We must be browsing different StanceWorks Forums...

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48325

No cut springs here...

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48959

No stretch here... hmmm

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48949

Are those cut spri...oh, no that has air ride.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26020

What's this thread doing here? "Stance" guys aren't supposed to be able to do fabrication...

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48953

the lip isn't even touching the ground...wtf

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20204

Ok, this has a lot of stretch... but, no cut springs or bull shit like that.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48862

Some cheapo coilovers. But, still no cut springs... I'm starting to wonder if you need your eyes checked.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48935

I'm gonna assume none of these are on cut springs.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48940

900HP??? But this is StanceWorks where we only go low and slow... There's gotta be something wrong here...

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48955

Can't speak much for this one.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48784

I don't think many corners were cut on this one.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48952

Still...no cut springs.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45087

Nope, none here either.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43639

Air ride here.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48913

Coilovers.

http://www.stanceworks.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34306

Still not seeing any.

That was the whole front page of the Showroom subforum. No cut springs to be accounted for.

[e30lov]

This is me reading some of the posts in this thread.

[JinormusJ]

Excellent article

Maybe that stereotype, but others still remain; I only had to browse S|W forums for a few minutes and I counted more than ample threads that list the first mod as:

"Gonna go lower guise BRB
Kut springssszz breeeaauhhhh!"

While the readers hammer down praises at his "fitment"

[lambo]

Maybe I got carried away with the whole "majority" here, but cars with insane excessive camber would never had existed had it not been for the stance-"scene" emrging as it has. That was my main point, and has been my main point from my first post in this thread

"Stance" in general itself has always been there; grabbing some coilovers, custom lips/spacers to make the wheel flush with the rolled (not pounded or pulled) fender/wheel wells, some moderate stretch, but not enough to wear the car struggles to put down power, some moderate warranted camber, not adding-camber-because-I-want-to-fit-wheels-that-aren't-supposed-to-fit-for-the-sake-of-fitting-oversized-wheels. Its only when posuers started pushing these limits and making a "scene" emerge from it where you have people doing crazier, more insane, ridiculous things to fit insane impracticable wheels on their car for the sake of "low", rather than "car".


I wouldn't necessarily classify them as traditional car enthusiasts. "Low" enthusiasts? Maybe, thats something I can live more with, but car enthusiasts.. No way

This is exactly the problem. You base your hate on the "stance" community on some stupid stereotype that only a few people actually play into.

Also, someone correct me if I'm wrong, "stance" is derived from people complying with strict English laws regarding vehicles. Stretch and camber were employed to fit the widest wheels possible while still complying with laws stating that tire tread couldn't emerge past the fenders.

[JinormusJ]

You wanna provide some links to back up this claim? Preferably some within the past 6 months, tops, to keep some legitimacy to your "majority" claim.

Maybe I got carried away with the whole "majority" here, but cars with insane excessive camber would never had existed had it not been for the stance-"scene" emrging as it has. That was my main point, and has been my main point from my first post in this thread

"Stance" in general itself has always been there; grabbing some coilovers, custom lips/spacers to make the wheel flush with the rolled (not pounded or pulled) fender/wheel wells, some moderate stretch, but not enough to wear the car struggles to put down power, some moderate warranted camber, not adding-camber-because-I-want-to-fit-wheels-that-aren't-supposed-to-fit-for-the-sake-of-fitting-oversized-wheels. Its only when posuers started pushing these limits and making a "scene" emerge from it where you have people doing crazier, more insane, ridiculous things to fit insane impracticable wheels on their car for the sake of "low", rather than "car".


I wouldn't necessarily classify them as traditional car enthusiasts. "Low" enthusiasts? Maybe, thats something I can live more with, but car enthusiasts.. No way

[M3TROY]

That whole article strikes me as a plea for acceptance. As if saying, "stance" is not a fad and they are car enthusiasts like everyone else instead of just "stance" enthusiasts. Generally speaking, most of us like lowered cars. They handle better (if done right) and look great. But taking any car, slamming it on nice wheels with crazy fitments and take high res pics...even if it's dirty/rusty, missing a bumper or looks like a junkyard car, then thumbing your nose at the traditional enthusiasts seems too easy to me. The thing is the traditional enthusiasts will always be there, just as they have from the beginning. To me, the whole stance thing is like an artform or style just like the many other styles that have developed over the years.

i couldnt agree more.

for the record im car crazy and love all things with a motor and at least 1 wheel ;D
we have all seen the guy who gets a car runs to pep boys and throws on the fender vents stickers and screw on exhaust tips.
although it may not suit my taste in all honesty i NEVER look down on guys like that instead i always think to myself (hes doing what he can with what he has).
weather it be financially or lack of knowledge hes at least showing his love for his car.
as far as taste well that will and always will be up to the individual.

as far as someone NOT being a car enthusiast unless they actually work on there car really? that has to be one of the dumbest things ever said on this forum....honestly.
i have yet to turn a wrench on ANY of my cars so what does that make me...

[E30SPDFRK]

Sleeping In an office chair while someone else puts an m60 in your rat rod truck... I'm sure your a good guy and all but... I'm sorry just cuz you turn a wrench in a shop sometimes doesn't make you what you make yourself out to be

Cory, I love you, but you're completely off here. Having someone else help you with a build is completely different from having someone else build it for you.

[Xat1cZ]

What makes a car "stanced" nowadays? Is a car that is fresh looking in general, clear paint, nice fitting rims, no excessive camber, but lowered to the point where it is in-practical to drive on, say, uneven roads a "stanced" car? which is kind of a description of an E30 M3 DTM car...



is it this

The poseurs that melt springs, raise their shock towers via Chinese single-setting camber plates + nut-"spacers", roll around on 19x10 XXRs wrapped in 155/25s stretchy rubber bands with 15* camber and baseball-bat pounded-to-hell fenders just to get wheels that generally don't even look good to fit. The people who look like car people, but in reality are not. The people who have to watch out or they'll curb the INSIDE rim of their wheels while parallel parking. You know who I'm talking about.

this





or all the above?

[lambo]

THIS!!!
This is what I'm talking about! There is no benefit to having a car that looks and drives like this. This is all I can think about when I hear about the "stanced" scene; partly that cars like this appeared solely because of the stance-scene. I love it when a car sits flush and has a nice stance with some nice forward rake, but when the majority of the build threads are churning out cars that look like that toolbag, it's hard NOT to hate

You wanna provide some links to back up this claim? Preferably some within the past 6 months, tops, to keep some legitimacy to your "majority" claim.

[JinormusJ]

THIS!!!
This is what I'm talking about! There is no benefit to having a car that looks and drives like this. This is all I can think about when I hear about the "stanced" scene; partly that cars like this appeared solely because of the stance-scene. I love it when a car sits flush and has a nice stance with some nice forward rake, but when the majority of the build threads are churning out cars that look like that toolbag, it's hard NOT to hate