Canada, WTF?

[Sam Cogley]

However, the other side of the argument is that now the killer will probably take full advantage of the shoddy justice system in Canada and plead insanity. If that doesn't work, which it likely will, he will get 10-25 years for second degree murder and probably get out much sooner on "good behavior."

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this guy was indeed totally buggo.

[Lair]

I agree with that, and that's the point I've been making on other forums. Everyone says that someone should have done something, when in reality they did do something.

They locked him in the bus so he couldn't kill anyone else. The first place he stabbed the kid was in the throat, the kid was doomed from the first second. What good would trying to fight him have done? Get a couple more people slashed up, maybe killed? It's not like they all stood there while the guy threatened the kid. The guy stabbed immediately in the throat, before anyone could react or knew what was going on. They also sent 3 big guys in after him to check if the boy was still alive and to help him, the man chased after them swinging the hunting knife at them.

However, the other side of the argument is that now the killer will probably take full advantage of the shoddy justice system in Canada and plead insanity. If that doesn't work, which it likely will, he will get 10-25 years for second degree murder and probably get out much sooner on "good behavior."

I've heard that the second-degree charge was levied to prevent the killer from using an insanity defense.

From a Canadian on another board:

Charging him with 1st degree murder gives the lawyers something to try and get him off with. He'll likely be deemed a dangerous offender and be locked up for life, whether it's first or second degree murder he's charged with. If something more comes out in the future they can always up the charge.

[Raxe]

I agree with that, and that's the point I've been making on other forums. Everyone says that someone should have done something, when in reality they did do something.

They locked him in the bus so he couldn't kill anyone else. The first place he stabbed the kid was in the throat, the kid was doomed from the first second. What good would trying to fight him have done? Get a couple more people slashed up, maybe killed? It's not like they all stood there while the guy threatened the kid. The guy stabbed immediately in the throat, before anyone could react or knew what was going on. They also sent 3 big guys in after him to check if the boy was still alive and to help him, the man chased after them swinging the hunting knife at them.

However, the other side of the argument is that now the killer will probably take full advantage of the shoddy justice system in Canada and plead insanity. If that doesn't work, which it likely will, he will get 10-25 years for second degree murder and probably get out much sooner on "good behavior."

[AndrewBird]

Pretty fucked up for sure.

I agree though that there was no point in anyway trying to be a "Hero". The guy was dead before anyone even noticed anything. Killing the attacker wouldn't have done anything. Trapping him in the bus and waiting for authorities was the correct thing to do. No one else got hurt and they were safe after the accident happened.

What do you think would be more traumatizing, seeing a guy kill someone or seeing a guy kill someone and then see another guy kill the attacker?

[James]

Greyhound : we are ahead of the rest

[uofom3]

too many feet, they needed a head...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=92470079

damn that is nuts.

[uofom3]

Exactly. The victim was dead before anyone could have drawn on the perp.

The victim was a total lost cause at that point, but what about others on the bus? I mean we find out now that he was in the process of removing the guys head, but what if he was going to keep knifing al these other people? It was a lucky thing that only one person got killed.

[Lair]

too many feet, they needed a head...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=92470079

That's just sick. :shock:






And funny.

[Lair]

Should of, could of, might of, whatever. The kid was stabbed with a bowie knife numerous times before anyone "would of" been able to do anything. Paramedics wouldn't have been able to do shit.

Exactly. The victim was dead before anyone could have drawn on the perp.

[StereoInstaller1]

too many feet, they needed a head...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=92470079

now y'all went up and did it

[808AWD325xi]

too many feet, they needed a head...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92470079

[ejnight]

it's very easy to say what we would do in a situation vs. Being put in that situation.

+1

[325isdan]

It's really not that difficult to aim and fire a gun, trust me. Everyone I've ever met with a CCW has been very mature and responsible about it, and I'd absolutely trust their marksmanship if my life was in immediate danger. You're talking as if the bus was on fire, you're blind folded and were being charged by the entire Miami Dolphins defense.



All it takes is one bullet. The guy could have had an AK-47 for all it mattered; he would still be taken out just as quick by a "dinky hand gun".



But they do allow you to bring a huge hunting knife on the bus? Didn't think so.

my guess is your never been on a grey hound before. and ya you can bring a knife on a grey hound no problem they don't check shit hell you "could" bring a gun no problem.. But if Canada had CCW Grey hounds would be more like airports with metal detectors and check ins.

and I would really like to see how people would react with a dude opening fire in a bus with an AK and your still able to take him out. Those seats are not going to stop any bullets .

I guess my point is do you realize how insane it would be to start a gun fight on a bus full of people even the poilce wouldnt start firing there are way to many "other" targets on board.

I will say this from all the other forums Im on 95% of the people that say they have a CCW are not marksmen theyer just regular joes who carry because "its thier right".

[Aptyp]

You know, something evil inside of me, made me laugh my ass off.

I know I am going to hell for laughing, but how random is this? I mean what happened? the guy's Ipod pissed him off, he snored, his smelled? What would posses to do something like this. Insane shit, straight out of video games and horror films.

[z31maniac]

but it's another to simply run when a person is being stabbed to death,

It's very easy to SAY what we would do in a situation vs. being put in that situation.