The Good Question and My Answer.

[Fidhle007]

Quick, someone spraybomb a 4-door in flat black!

[twothrees]

So is this what we're going to have now that the election's over, and no one has political threads to swing their dicks in? Endless DCColegrove threads?

This is pathetic.

What's pathetic is that these kiddies need someone to crucify to make their lives seem more important.

[Jand3rson]

So is this what we're going to have now that the election's over, and no one has political threads to swing their dicks in? Endless DCColegrove threads?

This is pathetic.

[Miasma]

[Bandwagon]

/jump

lol

[CorvallisBMW]

not asking for raw data but an analysis and example data of specific data points that are relevant to the different braces. i'm not trying to give him shit and i doubt he needs cheerleaders either.

OK, I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say you have an ax to grind.

If DC posted raw data, you'd sit there like a blubbering idiot and have no idea what you were looking at. Trust me, I've been around these things before and they're incredibly complicated. Ever seen data from a 7-axis machine? I have, and it's fucking useless unless you have a very advanced system to interpret it.

Not to mention raw data would be hundreds of megabytes of nothing but uninterpretable numbers....Why are you so hung up on it?

[DCColegrove]

I doubt any of us would be able to read the telemetry numbers even if he gave them to us, this is a 7 plane chassis shaker....I can't even comprehend where the planes would be no less understand degree's and angles of those 7 planes in relationship of another, or of 2 planes to another 1 plane...ect. I doubt he would give us those numbers either because that's what makes some race cars take the same turn at different speed be able to handle that certain turn better. I respect engineers that take the time and mental capacity to do these kinds of things.

I couldn't even interpret the raw data...This technology is way past my pay grade.

Thank god for computers because they give us something we can understand.

I should add I can't operate a PlayStation controller either... I guess I'm a dinosaur.

[kishg]

not asking for raw data but an analysis and example data of specific data points that are relevant to the different braces. i'm not trying to give him shit and i doubt he needs cheerleaders either.

[abepark]

I doubt any of us would be able to read the telemetry numbers even if he gave them to us, this is a 7 plane chassis shaker....I can't even comprehend where the planes would be no less understand degree's and angles of those 7 planes in relationship of another, or of 2 planes to another 1 plane...ect. I doubt he would give us those numbers either because that's what makes some race cars take the same turn at different speed be able to handle that certain turn better. I respect engineers that take the time and mental capacity to do these kinds of things.

[NC325iC]

from what ive read it sounds like hes collected good data.

him posting the data in raw form would likely not help his discussion. i would venture a guess that 90% of people (possibly including myself) would not know what they were looking at. Yes these bars are built using data that he himself deemed "extream" (extreme in english) but if they perform well in these extreme conditions they will perform well in everyday conditions. Honestly i dont know why he gets so much shit, i dont read all the threads he posts in, i probably have missed alot.

People say hes a bit of an asshole online, who the hell isnt?
whatever

Chris


quick edit: you need to get a cabrio on that thing and try to tighten it up some. maybe a bolt in rear bar... maybe?

[DCColegrove]

yes, i read the OP. i was hoping for some actual data, numbers..

I'll either have to get them for you latter (my book is at the shop) or try to guess from memory.

I do know that the front struts moved inward more than 12mm in and out laterally and twisted fore and aft 22mm on the raw chassis.

And I need to correct something: The car did have new H&R Race springs and Bilstein sports installed on it.

[kishg]

Yes if you look at my op you will see we started with the chassis just originally as delivered from BMW.

Edit: It was suprizingly pliable... More so than I had originally thought.

yes, i read the OP. i was hoping for some actual data, numbers..

[DCColegrove]

ok. fair enough, and the sparco didn't break? did you measure the chassis flex at different points with and without bars and braces?

Yes if you look at my op you will see we started with the chassis originally as delivered from BMW.

EDIT Correction: The car did have new H&R Race springs and Bilstein sports installed on it.

Edit: It was suprizingly pliable... More so than I had originally thought.

[kishg]

The shaker is controlled by a computer that is loaded with data collected via telemetry from real race cars on real race tracks.

You can "run" the chassis using the same loads etc from that.

And we tested both the Sparco and the knock off bar... The knock off broke and so did the BMP bar under what would be extream but not uncommon loads.

ok. fair enough, and the sparco didn't break? did you measure the chassis flex at different points with and without bars and braces?

[DCColegrove]

ok, i'll bite DC. Can we see the original measured data? and what range is within normal operating parameters and what is beyond, like when on a track? that would determine if your braces and bars actually have a practical benefit or are overkill wouldn't it?

The shaker is controlled by a computer that is loaded with data collected via telemetry from real race cars on real race tracks.

You can "run" the chassis using the same loads etc from that.

And we tested both the Sparco and the knock off bar... The knock off broke and so did the BMP bar under what would be extream but not uncommon loads.

[kishg]

Eh, doesn't really matter, you'll never redeem yourself no matter what to the BMW community and be as big of a joke as Budget Beater or Jordan Sarette.

i'm willing to cut him some slack and as for jordan, he might be a cocky, arrogant sob but he actually knows what he's talking about most of the time. i respect that.