My runs on alcohol, like me...

[Farbin Kaiber]

I honestly think e85 is going to be phased out in several years as the technology for hydrogen based cars is probably going to be the way all car manufactures actually go with in the future.

I have heard in conversation that e85 is an "election season" sidetracker that will vaporize soon as well.

[Farbin Kaiber]

extra coin? most FFV seem to cost nearly the same, since costs of adaption are offset by incentives for car manufacturers. simply having the option helps a little, with maybe only the occasional fill up on corn.

with more demand, with come more supply and E85 will be more practical to try to use nationwide.

it is much better for emissions, and if properly tuned with use of turbos, not a loss of mpg and a gain in power.

and hybrid? besides the argument of battery waste - why not a E100 convertible with hybrid technology as well. zero fossil fuel and lots of mpg. it exists, just needs the infrastructure... which is btw going to be much easier to set up than hydrogen

When does the value of e85/e100 offset the savings on a national level from fossil fuels to balance rising food/production costs? When it is used as "Heating Oil Alternative"?

[atomic]

I honestly think e85 is going to be phased out in several years as the technology for hydrogen based cars is probably going to be the way all car manufactures actually go with in the future.

[rwh11385]

I agree it isn't a problem if it is a flexfuel car. But in my state, since there is less than 10 stations statewide that sells e85, that it is not worth the upcharge that a flexfuel vehicle costs. I would love to buy something other than fossil fuels but its just not worth having a e85 car here IMHO.

I am thinking however on making my own bio-diesel for my truck, if diesel prices get much higher...

Impalas cost the same and have the FFV standard, except the V8... what costs?

It will eventually change, if people show their is a demand and desire for it, and we make better use of it like in Sweden... CCXR for example.

Change won't come overnight but steps should be taken to make it eventually come about.

[rwh11385]

This, Heeter, is why I don't fuckin care. Why waste the extra coin?

extra coin? most FFV seem to cost nearly the same, since costs of adaption are offset by incentives for car manufacturers. simply having the option helps a little, with maybe only the occasional fill up on corn.

with more demand, with come more supply and E85 will be more practical to try to use nationwide.

it is much better for emissions, and if properly tuned with use of turbos, not a loss of mpg and a gain in power.

and hybrid? besides the argument of battery waste - why not a E100 convertible with hybrid technology as well. zero fossil fuel and lots of mpg. it exists, just needs the infrastructure... which is btw going to be much easier to set up than hydrogen

[rwh11385]

So, let's say 50% of the time you fill up with gas the the other 50% you use ethanol. That's still using as much if not more gas than a good hybrid. Plus, it's an Impala. It will lose it's value much faster than a hybrid and the cool factor is non existent.

But it is helping to build the infrastructure of ethanol fueled cars in the future.

And if you want cars solely for cool factor and not making a change for the environment, that's your choice but don't hate on mine because I want to make a difference.

[Farbin Kaiber]

This, Heeter, is why I don't fuckin care. Why waste the extra coin? That type of setup isn't worth it for the next 6-8 years IMHO. I'm already paying more for your gas options right now, typical system move.

California E85 Gas Stations

California has 4 public service station that offered E85 Fuel as of Oct 07. California does have 3 Private E85 fueling locations , one at Vandenberg Air Force Base and the other at Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory . It is surprising given California's stringent emissions laws that ethanol and E85 isn't in wider use but with such strong emissions Laws we expect California to come on board with strong Ethanol support within a few years if not sooner.

[atomic]

I agree it isn't a problem if it is a flexfuel car. But in my state, since there is less than 10 stations statewide that sells e85, that it is not worth the upcharge that a flexfuel vehicle costs. I would love to buy something other than fossil fuels but its just not worth having a e85 car here IMHO.

I am thinking however on making my own bio-diesel for my truck, if diesel prices get much higher...

[Turf1600]

So, let's say 50% of the time you fill up with gas the the other 50% you use ethanol. That's still using as much if not more gas than a good hybrid. Plus, it's an Impala. It will lose it's value much faster than a hybrid and the cool factor is non existent.

[rwh11385]

Biggest problem with e85 is depending on where you live dictates the availability of the fuel. Obviously in the midwest it is abundant but everywhere else it isn't.

http://e85vehicles.com/e85-stations.htm

not a problem if it's flex fuel...

fill up when you're around it, or gas when you need it.

or just pour in some everclear with gas... haha


agricultural companies will continue to expand production, improve refinement, find better crops to use, expand farming and not just substitute, and there will be more availability, but the demand must grow now with people like me in order for improvement to come.

[atomic]

Biggest problem with e85 is depending on where you live dictates the availability of the fuel. Obviously in the midwest it is abundant but everywhere else it isn't.

http://e85vehicles.com/e85-stations.htm

[Turf1600]

because i want to burn corn not fossil fuel

and i'm not keeping it for that long.

i'm waiting for Swedish companies to bring their sweet and luxurious flex fuel cars here that use turbos so E85 actually has more power along with same or better mpg

but this is a start

Not keeping it for long? Be prepared to pay to get out of it.

[ACHTUNG]

Yay rising meat/bread prices. Thanks for adding that .19 cents on the last gallon of milk I bought. Next month it will prolly be +0.24 cents.

Amen

[Farbin Kaiber]

Yay rising meat/bread prices. Thanks for adding that .19 cents on the last gallon of milk I bought. Next month it will prolly be +0.24 cents.

[rwh11385]

why not finance a used 2000-2004 330i 4 door it doesnt run on corn but it does get descent gas millage. and like it or not that chevy WILL fall apart after 10 to 12 years. its a fact.

because i want to burn corn not fossil fuel

and i'm not keeping it for that long.

i'm waiting for Swedish companies to bring their sweet and luxurious flex fuel cars here that use turbos so E85 actually has more power along with same or better mpg

but this is a start