who finds this disturbing?

[Vrbovan]

no, i've read a shit ton of books, and try to finish another every few days.

thats just the simplest, and easiest to get information from, so far as how it's presented.

"dont eat this book", "fast food nation", and "supersize me", etc, are a really good start.

"diet for a new america" is not a diet book, einstein. it's an overall look at the epidemic of obesity, heart disease, and malnutrition, and how it relates to the meat industry.

it also exposes how the USDA has been lying to our kids for several generations, to help generate income for the big money cattle farmers, and dairy farmers.


health and "animal rights" aside

any idea how much water it takes to produce ONE pound of ground beef?



any idea where that water comes from?

it's ecologically irresponsible to eat meat, plain and simple.

meat is a luxury item, and water is a precious natural resource that shouldnt be wasted on something we really dont need.

the reason you're getting so defensive is that you really dont have a leg to stand on in your argument, so you're choosing to be a douchebag instead of providing some facts, or information to back up your statements.

it's typical "rush limbaugh" style.

yawn.


come back to the discussion when you can act like an educated adult, and not like a run of the mill republican.

wow nice chart... can we have a pie graph next?? or are we allowed to eat pie?

you have to understand that this garbage only applies to America and not the rest of the world, I have said before that where I grew up and where my family lives in Europe, we farm and produce gennerally what we need and eat. we have our own chickens, pigs, milk cows, geese, you name it.

SO my learned friend it is you who are generalizing, MEAT IS BAD MMMKAY... it is not the fault of meat that America is losing the health battle, it is the fault of diet, mechanized irrisponsible farming, and lack of exercise. my wife eats a typical Moravian dish with sheep cheese, loads of cream, bacon and potatoes, and shes 115 pound and 5'10", BUT she walks to school and rides her bike to get anywhere... its how you live, not what you eat!

It is not hambergers that is bad its portions. but this topic is dead... anyone who hasn't smoked their brain into a hippie stooper understands my point...

[sefb222]

why do you keep telling people to read?? who the fuck are you? you've read one book and now you're Jesus sent to save the masses from evil meat? people die even in poor contries that eat veggies! if you eat proper ammounts and exercise you can eat whatever the hell you what. and yes it is hippie crap... not science... Its someone who wants to sell books to retards that cant figure out why they're fat.

Its BS like every other diet book aimed a fat asses. And as for my knee jerk response... the only place my knee is going to jerk is into your hippie groin.

no, i've read a shit ton of books, and try to finish another every few days.

thats just the simplest, and easiest to get information from, so far as how it's presented.

"dont eat this book", "fast food nation", and "supersize me", etc, are a really good start.

"diet for a new america" is not a diet book, einstein. it's an overall look at the epidemic of obesity, heart disease, and malnutrition, and how it relates to the meat industry.

it also exposes how the USDA has been lying to our kids for several generations, to help generate income for the big money cattle farmers, and dairy farmers.


health and "animal rights" aside

any idea how much water it takes to produce ONE pound of ground beef?



any idea where that water comes from?

it's ecologically irresponsible to eat meat, plain and simple.

meat is a luxury item, and water is a precious natural resource that shouldnt be wasted on something we really dont need.

the reason you're getting so defensive is that you really dont have a leg to stand on in your argument, so you're choosing to be a douchebag instead of providing some facts, or information to back up your statements.

it's typical "rush limbaugh" style.

yawn.


come back to the discussion when you can act like an educated adult

[Vrbovan]

1) you need to read some books.

2) humans arent supposed to eat meat, because our intestinal tract is so long. we're designed to process vegetation. animals can process meat because they are pretty much a straight tube that goes in, and one that comes out.

by the time we eliminate "digested" meat from our bodies, it is ROTTING, and carcinogenic. rotting meat. literally rotting flesh.

keep lying to yourselves, and saying everything is gonna be ok. it's not.
the shit is bad news. not even from an animal rights standpoint, but from a health conscious perspective.

ignorance is bliss.

why do you keep telling people to read?? who the fuck are you? you've read one book and now you're Jesus sent to save the masses from evil meat? people die even in poor contries that eat veggies! if you eat proper ammounts and exercise you can eat whatever the hell you want. and yes it is hippie crap... not science... Its someone who wants to sell books to retards that cant figure out why they're fat.

Its BS like every other diet book aimed a fat asses. And as for my knee jerk response... the only place my knee is going to jerk is into your hippie groin.

[Stephen]

Yes, but what about the bacon?

[sefb222]

You hippies crack me up, Animals have been eating animals since the dawn of life on this ball of dirt. Humans are animals too you know!!!

The part in red) They have the lowest rates of all those things for 2 reasons. 1) IF they cant afford food then how can they afford all the fancy heath care to detect such things and the mortality rate is that much higher in poor countries Vs. rich WTF do you suppose they are dieing of . Oh yeah starvation. 2) They are not fat because they cant afford food so this really leads back into point 1

1) you need to read some books.

2) humans arent supposed to eat meat, because our intestinal tract is so long. we're designed to process vegetation. animals can process meat because they are pretty much a straight tube that goes in, and one that comes out.

by the time we eliminate "digested" meat from our bodies, it is ROTTING, and carcinogenic. rotting meat. literally rotting flesh.

keep lying to yourselves, and saying everything is gonna be ok. it's not.
the shit is bad news. not even from an animal rights standpoint, but from a health conscious perspective.

ignorance is bliss.

[daniel]

the picture is weird, but i am not disturbed.

[mrsleeve]

the pic just shows a lack of class, and is really disrespectful to the life that once occupied that body.

i refuse to make my body into a graveyard for tortured, diseased, and slaughtered animals. once you've read "diet for a new america", by john robbins, it will make you think twice about throwing a few slabs of bacon down your throat.



the poorest countries, (the ones who cant afford meat, and survive on grains, veggies, etc) are the ones with the lowest obesity, cancer, and heart disease rates.

the richest countries, (the ones who consume meat daily, as a normal part of life) are the ones with the highest obesity, cancer, and heart disease rates.

coincidence?
"

You hippies crack me up, Animals have been eating animals since the dawn of life on this ball of dirt. Humans are animals too you know!!!

The part in red) They have the lowest rates of all those things for 2 reasons. 1) IF they cant afford food then how can they afford all the fancy heath care to detect such things and the mortality rate is that much higher in poor countries Vs. rich WTF do you suppose they are dieing of . Oh yeah starvation. 2) They are not fat because they cant afford food so this really leads back into point 1

[Edgars325e]

[quote=sefb222;1510823]

it's not hippie crap. it's science.

read or watch "diet for a new america", then tell me it's hippie crap.


save the insults and shit talking for those who deserve it. because i speak the truth, and can back up my statements with FACTS, that gives you the right to jump down my throat?

pffft.

enjoy the colon cancer.

it's what my stepfather is dying of... the doctors told him "a lifetime of red meat is what did it"

now he has no asshole, and has to shit into a bag.


mmmmm. burgers!



sidenote.. you ARE right about people working harder, and walking in poor countries.. that DOES make a huge difference. it also make a difference in cities. when our country became suburbanized, a car became a necessity, and people stopped walking and riding bikes. add to this the (paid for by the food biz) "food pyramid" thats shoved down the throats of every kid as soon as they enter the public school system, and we have a nation of fat, weak, auto-dependent retards who are told day after day that they need "X grams of protein" and "X grams of dairy", which is doing more harm than good.

this is not hippie shit. it's facts. read a little, find out where this "hippie shit" comes from, and then form opinions. your knee-jerk, reactionary rhetoric is useless, and says nothing other than that you are a mindless redneck.

wow am sry man to hear that

[sefb222]

[quote=Vrbovan;1510814]

the poorest countries, (the ones who cant afford meat, and survive on grains, veggies, etc) are the ones with the lowest obesity, cancer, and heart disease rates.

/quote]


Bull Shit! I've lived in poor ass countries teaching english. and their diets are fucked! its got NOTHING to do with meat! its eating like a pig, big portions and sitting in your car to go down the street!

poor people walk, poor people grow their own food. poor people work harder. I''ve got uncles who eat nothing but bacon and sour cream in Europe and they're over 90. so save the hippie crap for people who care...

it's not hippie crap. it's science.

read or watch "diet for a new america", then tell me it's hippie crap.


save the insults and shit talking for those who deserve it. because i speak the truth, and can back up my statements with FACTS, that gives you the right to jump down my throat?

pffft.

enjoy the colon cancer.

it's what my stepfather is dying of... the doctors told him "a lifetime of red meat is what did it"

now he has no asshole, and has to shit into a bag.


mmmmm. burgers!



sidenote.. you ARE right about people working harder, and walking in poor countries.. that DOES make a huge difference. it also make a difference in cities. when our country became suburbanized, a car became a necessity, and people stopped walking and riding bikes. add to this the (paid for by the food biz) "food pyramid" thats shoved down the throats of every kid as soon as they enter the public school system, and we have a nation of fat, weak, auto-dependent retards who are told day after day that they need "X grams of protein" and "X grams of dairy", which is doing more harm than good.

this is not hippie shit. it's facts. read a little, find out where this "hippie shit" comes from, and then form opinions. your knee-jerk, reactionary rhetoric is useless, and says nothing other than that you are a mindless redneck.

[Vrbovan]

[quote=sefb222;1510798]

the poorest countries, (the ones who cant afford meat, and survive on grains, veggies, etc) are the ones with the lowest obesity, cancer, and heart disease rates.

/quote]


Bull Shit! I've lived in poor ass countries teaching english. and their diets are fucked! its got NOTHING to do with meat! its eating like a pig, big portions and sitting in your car to go down the street!

poor people walk, poor people grow their own food. poor people work harder. I''ve got uncles who eat nothing but bacon and sour cream in Europe and they're over 90. so save the hippie crap for people who care...

[Vrbovan]

lol my wife's family in Czech republic kill 100 chickens and two pigs in one weekend every fall. its a fucking bloodbath! that plus the fact that I kill shit with a crossbow makes me pretty used to dead animals... not disturbing...

[Edgars325e]

the pic just shows a lack of class, and is really disrespectful to the life that once occupied that body.

i refuse to make my body into a graveyard for tortured, diseased, and slaughtered animals. once you've read "diet for a new america", by john robbins, it will make you think twice about throwing a few slabs of bacon down your throat.

i dont hate on those who do eat meat, but, karma aside, at the very least, its extremely unhealthy, and asking for cancer, heart disease, and high blood pressure.


good luck to the meat eaters.. you're gonna need it.

i hope you know you can still eat good even tho its meat you just got know how to cook it and work with it i hope you man

[sefb222]

the pic just shows a lack of class, and is really disrespectful to the life that once occupied that body.

i refuse to make my body into a graveyard for tortured, diseased, and slaughtered animals. once you've read "diet for a new america", by john robbins, it will make you think twice about throwing a few slabs of bacon down your throat.

i dont hate on those who do eat meat, but, karma aside, at the very least, its extremely unhealthy, and asking for cancer, heart disease, and high blood pressure.


good luck to the meat eaters.. you're gonna need it.


the poorest countries, (the ones who cant afford meat, and survive on grains, veggies, etc) are the ones with the lowest obesity, cancer, and heart disease rates.

the richest countries, (the ones who consume meat daily, as a normal part of life) are the ones with the highest obesity, cancer, and heart disease rates.

coincidence?

its like this.. you will NEVER hear a doctor cut open a cadaver, and say "yep.. it was the lentils that did him. i knew it."

[Edgars325e]

Edgars

Yes yes yes F.O. Soup is my favorite. I have an old recipe from my Gma that I rarely get to make. But I can always use another.


I love F.O. soup or did I say that already

Yes we have butchered rabbits at 10 am and been eatin one by 6pm

you got a PM man enjoy man sry for the late reply but i was send you the message lolz

[deutschman]

I suppose you mean "Hare"


No she, My G/F raises them for both us and the dog food lady. Mostly to support the breeding program for her show rabbits. The sale of the meat ones (and the culls from the show lines) covers the feed (mostly) for all of them. Yeah I have had rabbit just about every way you can make it, in the crock pot with french onion soup mix and a ton of veggies is my favorite.

Around here I get all my meat (that I dont hunt myself) from a local rancher down the road, weather its chickens, 1/2's of beef, "bacon trees", and I have buddy back out east in N central PA that raises the best lamb I have ever had, so when ever I get through that area I, call ahead a couple of weeks and he has 2 or 3 cut up in the freezer waiting for me. I dont do the store bought prepacked meat with all the Carbon monoxide injections dye jobs and other mass produced shit.

Yeah we eat good, it may not look fancy but it will keep you warm on those long cold winter nights, and provide plenty of fuel for working hard all day.

man thats the way to do it. my friends family has a small ranch that they are just starting up and i cant wait till they get some live stock! im a pro sausage maker! ;) i also want to talk them into putting in a trout pond! that would be sick! my granpa in germany has three ponds with lots of fish. he is also the game warden of the part of forist around his town.