The only thing I learned in University...(I graduated 8 years ago)

[Stanley Rockafella]

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[kennyvb]

Whatever floats your boat. There is no right answer.

[LJ851]

^ Well said Mr. Sleeve, i do not possess the tact that you have.
While University is the only option for some people, there are some that will proceed and prosper w/o formal education.

[mrsleeve]

On average a college graduate earns more then others, given that it´s science/engineering related.

Not always, I personally know 100's of exceptions to this rule. Welders, inspectors (some have degrees many/most dont), operators, Surveyors, Mechanics, me, I can continue.

Anybody who is an apprentice or sucha graduate ever designed anything that went to space? NOPE.

you go back to the early days of NASA and the skunk works at Lockheed I grantee you there were guys in there that didnt have a "formal degree", but had been in the field from the get go, and drew up shit that was on all kinds of black projects and NASA stuff.

When you do go to college there are things that a "tradesman" wouldn´t even pick up in a decade of working in the field.

Then why is it for years I and others with my level and many more years of field experience have been fixing and correcting the shit you engineers draw up. Your world is flat square and white ;)

Attempting to put College/University down is silly, without college the keyboard your typing on wouldn´t have gotten invented.

Bull shit. The guy who invented the QWERTY key board (typewriter) was a fucking printer and post man that's formal education consisted of a printers apprenticeship. Christopher Sholes was the mans name late 1860's IIRC was the time.


Yes College is a good thing but its not the end all be all of how to make something significant out of your life, or how to learn how to design and build shit or to fix problems encountered in the field. For you to discount a lifetime or even a decade of field experience is foolish and sadly typical of the know-it-all elitist, engineers that despise the guys that actually build the shit they draw, that seem to have been churned out in the last 25 years.

[gstuning]

On average a college graduate earns more then others, given that it´s science/engineering related.

Anybody who is an apprentice or sucha graduate ever designed anything that went to space? NOPE.

When you do go to college there are things that a "tradesman" wouldn´t even pick up in a decade of working in the field.

Attempting to put College/University down is silly, without college the keyboard your typing on wouldn´t have gotten invented.

[RUFFLZ]

Haven't read any of the blah ITT, but I'm just gonna say this:
College is what you make of it. Taking full advantage of the opportunity would be to actually study, network w/ peers, and party in moderation.
I use 'moderation' because half of the dickslaps out there party every night of the week, but "Is there really a job when the party's over?" ;)

[frolf]

Whether it's three years or three days, I love the stories about the time spent in school and not learning shit. Well done some of you, well done not giving a shit about your life, feeling like its not your fault, and complaining about it. No one made you go to college, no one made you sit in the back of the class, no one made you tell your professor and friends some stupid line about never needing calculus later in life (a very self-fulfilling prophecy). Life is tough, and to survive you have to work hard and apply yourself, and you have to apply yourself to something people give a shit about. Do people need their hearts surgically repaired? Do people need their cars fixed? Do people need clean dishes at a restaurant or their paper delivered? Yes, and its your choice as to where you fit in.

I have a few friends in the "young dishwasher" category who have asked me how to get on the fast track. I tell them to approach everyday they have with the following questions in mind:

-Am I working on a problem that the world needs working on?
-If not, am I training myself so that I can solve a valuable problem?
-If not, does it make me happy to the point that I don't have to think about contributing?
-If not, what is the smallest and most relevant way I can change what I am doing today/this week/this month that will get me toward actually be valued/paid/happy beyond the point of needing to generate income in this world?

To those of you who are way in debt and feel screwed paying for an english degree that doesn't pay? You learned a generational life lesson. Make sure your kids benefit from your lesson.

[Thizzelle]

Told ya, only pg&e cares cuz i applied there and that's pretty much it. Everyone else just wants a diploma and xp

[canadiankid]

I applied to a large international engineering firm. All they wanted was a photocopy of my diploma. I had a official transcript in my hand. They didnt want to see it.

[Thizzelle]

lol GPA nobody asks for that. also go hourly my company keeps trying to get me on salary but I'm like fuck that cuz I know they are going to be making me work mad hours and I don't get comp'd.

[Jean]

These threads always split the group into two, the first group will piss and moun that the college degree and the debt got them nowhere, and the second group saying they got the great job and couldn't get it w/o the college degree.

Okay, I also like to add a 3rd group, the "book smart"...straight out of college with "insert your degree here" and thinking they are all that but lack in basic thinking/common sense (if it wasn't in the books) LOL.

[5Toes]

Curious, what gpa did you guys receive on your diplomas?

Not looking forward to university..

[evandael]

I literally build the world you live in, very few can say they do what I do and I LOVE every minute of it.

Trust me, I have my problems with the education system, but this is the world we live in. You can not do what I do without an education. Period.

and what is it that you do? humility is obviously a subject you glazed over.

[jrobie79]

its all about the appropriate degree...to get paid...If you want to go study lesbian poetry and someone will pay you a liveable wage to do whatever the hell a lesbian poetry major does...well more power to you.

I learned an assload in college, and I apply a lot of it every day at work. My first job out of college was a carpenter b/c the construction market sucked. Now I make pretty good money. I'm not an engineer, so I don't design the world you live, but as a construction manager I have an integral role in that process.

College isnt for everyone, but it is definitely helpful. If you study a shitty degree and expect massive salaries you're out of your damn mind. If you want to learn something get a B of S or go work in the trades.

[sasnyde]

I hate college, but unfortunately it's completely necessary to even be considered for a lot of decent jobs out there