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[Maluco]

Annnnnd the stereotype comes through. I appreciate you saying what you said, although it seems fake (no offense taken though, and same goes for you, none meant from me). It seems you just gave up the argument when I stated my points. Are you just tired of debating your belief or do you not have a response?

It also seems you don't believe what I said about not caring and not getting pissed. You said "Fair enough", but didn't reference what I said about standing for what I believe in and not living for someone else. That's the key, and it almost seemed as though you ignored it.

What happened to my question about the religion I just created? How would you feel when you go to that "hell"? Just curious. It's worth asking and answering, as there's just as much chance "my religion" is correct as your religion is.

my apology was sincere. I'm not tired of debating, I enjoy it. I will discuss and answer any questions you have regarding Christianitly as best I can however I don't know much about any other religions. In all my ignorance, I hesitate to speak/debate on something I have not at least looked into somewhat. I respect you for what you choose to believe and/or create. Both of our faiths/beliefs share the fact that free-will belongs to all of us.

[Kruzen]

Annnnnd the stereotype comes through. I appreciate you saying what you said, although it seems fake (no offense taken though, and same goes for you, none meant from me). It seems you just gave up the argument when I stated my points. Are you just tired of debating your belief or do you not have a response?

It also seems you don't believe what I said about not caring and not getting pissed. You said "Fair enough", but didn't reference what I said about standing for what I believe in and not living for someone else. That's the key, and it almost seemed as though you ignored it.

What happened to my question about the religion I just created? How would you feel when you go to that "hell"? Just curious. It's worth asking and answering, as there's just as much chance "my religion" is correct as your religion is.

You can't really factually argue against a faith based religion. It just isn't possible, its neverending he-says she-says. We can rant and rave about biblical accuracy and miracles seen in person and the bullshit meter will come out from those opposing the religion. Ultimately it comes down to accepting it and having faith yourself or shutting up.

[JGood]

Annnnnd the stereotype comes through. I appreciate you saying what you said, although it seems fake (no offense taken though, and same goes for you, none meant from me). It seems you just gave up the argument when I stated my points. Are you just tired of debating your belief or do you not have a response?

It also seems you don't believe what I said about not caring and not getting pissed. You said "Fair enough", but didn't reference what I said about standing for what I believe in and not living for someone else. That's the key, and it almost seemed as though you ignored it.

What happened to my question about the religion I just created? How would you feel when you go to that "hell"? Just curious. It's worth asking and answering, as there's just as much chance "my religion" is correct as your religion is.

[Kruzen]

Kind of off topic, but there are some Christian rock bands that rock pretty fucking hard. I had no idea they were Christian rock until I asked my friend. It's weird when it's almost metal-ish, but they're talking about God, lol.

Heck yea buddy. Killswitch engage, zao, chevelle, emery, as I lay dying, all that remains.. :rock:

[Maluco]

What didn't I address? I most certainly will...

ok, you stated you wouldn't care, you wouldn't get pissed. Fair enough.

I want to add that I apologize if what and how I am writing is coming though in a derogatory manner. I don't mean it too and these conversations can easily become that or at the very least begin to come across that way. As far you creating your own religion, you are more than welcome too.

[JGood]

Also, it doesn't seem you addressed everything; only the fact that you feel I DON'T KNOW and you feel I came across as cocky....

What didn't I address? I most certainly will...

[JGood]

There's a difference in confidence and cockiness. It's hard to understand a person's tone over text. Just try to focus on what was stated. Also, it doesn't seem you addressed everything; only the fact that you feel I DON'T KNOW and you feel I came across as cocky....

Now humor me and respond to the situation I presented you.



and now you are simply creating your own fantasies for the sake of arguing.....

It appears you have trouble reading. Allow me to state again, my first post has answered your question of how I would feel if the question was turned around. I stated how I would feel before you even asked me. Go ahead and attempt to read it.

Fantasies? Wait, your telling me it's OK for you to believe in your religion, but if I attempt to create and believe some other religion, it's a fantasy and should not be entertained? I've actually held good arguments with Christians who have held valid points, and also agreed to my points. This however, is a joke.

cockiness vs. confidence is not the argument. You said you "know". That is a lie. You believe. Knowing is fact, believing is theory. Religion is theory. Simple. My point was people are constantly rubbing what they "know" in my face, including what is going to happen to me after death. If anyone "knew", we wouldn't be having this argument.

[Maluco]

You DO NOT know. You believe. I can not stand that cocky attitude.

I do not know, you do not know, nobody knows.

There's a difference in confidence and cockiness. It's hard to understand a person's tone over text. Just try to focus on what was stated. Also, it doesn't seem you addressed everything; only the fact that you feel I DON'T KNOW and you feel I came across as cocky....

Now humor me and respond to the situation I presented you.

Allow me to ask another question. Since we know nothing about the creation of the earth, as I stated, and only have beliefs, what if the world was created by a God who picks and chooses who goes to places similar to your "heaven and hell". But it just so happens he picks people who are religious to go to hell. Maybe he's a mean God and that's the way he does things. So I go to this great party, "heaven", and you get sent to "Hell". Now, you spent your life serving someone who doesn't exist, and get sent to this "worse place than any human can fathom". Then what?

and now you are simply creating your own fantasies for the sake of arguing.....

[JGood]

Allow me to ask another question. Since we know nothing about the creation of the earth, as I stated, and only have beliefs, what if the world was created by a God who picks and chooses who goes to places similar to your "heaven and hell". But it just so happens he picks people who are religious to go to hell. Maybe he's a mean God and that's the way he does things. So I go to this great party, "heaven", and you get sent to "Hell". Now, you spent your life serving someone who doesn't exist, and get sent to this "worse place than any human can fathom". Then what?

[JGood]

I seriously know where I stand, what I believe and where I am going.

You DO NOT know. You believe. I can not stand that cocky attitude.

I do not know, you do not know, nobody knows.

[JGood]

You say you don't want to live your life for someone else but if you go to hell you will be doing just that for the rest of eternity.

At least I would do it on my feet, standing for what I believe - not on my knees, kissing ass so I don't live a bad "afterlife".

[JGood]

JGood, if you are questioning the fact and reality of hell, and Heaven for that matter, you are actually questioning the authority of the Bible, and the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. The Christian faith is all tied up together, and when it is questioned at one point, it becomes questioned at all. Are you indeed just out for "humor" or would you like to learn and truly address your doubts?

Furthermore, not to turn the question back on you but, if we that are in Faith believe and are therefore saved, wouldn't one who does not believe and faces eternity in hell want to ask himself the opposite of your question?

Once you pass on and find out that the "hell" you so lightly speak of is not only very real but more miserable than any human can fathom, what would YOU say then? According to the question you present, we face nothing, you face eternity in hell.

What would I say, you ask, I'd say "nothing" is better than what you are faced with. I know that isn't very humorous but then again, I seriously know where I stand, what I believe and where I am going.

What are you talking about? Read my last paragraph. That sums up my entire response to you.

I'm not addressing any doubt concerning the Christian religion, I have non. The church system is a crock and I have no doubt of this in my mind. My doubt lies in how the earth was created.

It's funny, you can never answer an atheists question without referring to another part of the religion. Your right, it's one whole thing. It's either all or nothing. And there's no fact's - it's all belief. Nothing grounds the belief, though.

If I said I believe in Santa Clause, and had a book that told his story, I would be laughed at, by everyone - including Christians. The very foundation of your belief is identical, however.

[AppState325]

Dude, 8 years ago I couldn't have imagined what my life is like now

Then: Raging with my friends, meeting chicks, drinking, getting high.

Now: Jesus, Wife, Family, Friends, Work, school, BMWs.

The 'Then' was cool for about five years and then my kick ass coke habit ruined my life. No job, no friends, no place to live, two OD's, DUI w/possession... it sucked really bad. Way too much drama, regret, sadness and pain. I prolly should have had a stroke or a heart attack due to how much dope I was doing. At my most recent physical, my MD told me that I have 'the heart of a marathon runner'. Miracles never cease.

Four years of AA/NA, In-patient rehab, out-patient rehab, cold turkey, white knuckling, nothing worked until I remembered some scripture verses. My parents and a whole bunch of other people were praying for me, and the Lord showed mercy upon this messed up individual and set me on a path to recovery. Within a year of being Born Again, I finished school and was dating my soon to be wife. Within two years of that, I had a really good job, was married to the best woman the Lord has created, bought a condo, and was clean and sober. And happy... prolly the only real happiness I had ever felt.

You ever wonder why people that have everything (pro athletes, entertainers, business tycoons, etc) are so messed up? It's because they have realized that money and fame cannot bring happiness. Money can provide temp fixes in the form of sex, drugs and alcohol, but the rich and famous are still killing themselves over the void in their lives. Only Jesus Christ can fill the void. He did it for me, He can do it for anyone who truly seeks Him.

good post. Glad to hear that your life got turned around like that.:grin:

[schmidty]

^ not to mention the question is very one sided. What you believe is true means that once you are dead, you're dead and that's it. There's nothing after that so who are you to admin to you were right or wrong? It doesn't make sense for you to believe there is no heaven or hell and no afterlife and then ask that question.

And as Maluco pointed out no human can possibly fathom how horrible hell is, just like we cant imagine how truly wonderful heaven will be. You say you don't want to live your life for someone else but if you go to hell you will be doing just that for the rest of eternity.

[Maluco]

One question for the "believers": Say at the end of life, you are wrong. There's nothing. What would you say (obviously you couldn't talk, but you know what I mean)? Would you admit you spent your entire life "serving" someone who never existed? I know you don't believe this will happen, but what if it does? Just humor me.

Please take this question seriously, I really want to know the answer, no harm is intended with the question, I'm just curious.

I'll tell you, if I go to hell, I will not be pissed, because I don't want to live my life for someone else anyway. If I have to live that way just kill me now.

JGood, if you are questioning the fact and reality of hell, and Heaven for that matter, you are actually questioning the authority of the Bible, and the authority of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. The Christian faith is all tied up together, and when it is questioned at one point, it becomes questioned at all. Are you indeed just out for "humor" or would you like to learn and truly address your doubts?

Furthermore, not to turn the question back on you but, if we that are in Faith believe and are therefore saved, wouldn't one who does not believe and faces eternity in hell want to ask himself the opposite of your question?

Once you pass on and find out that the "hell" you so lightly speak of is not only very real but more miserable than any human can fathom, what would YOU say then? According to the question you present, we face nothing, you face eternity in hell.

What would I say you ask, I'd say "nothing" is better than what you are faced with. I know that isn't very humorous but then again, I seriously know where I stand, what I believe and where I am going.