shopping at walmart

[1991 318is]

The Walmart model is lowest common denominator retailing. It's market pull and is behind even trailing edge technology. The closest they come to product innovation is the rip off designer items that will sell in their market demographic. In plain English, it's what the masses will buy. When you eliminate all other retail outlets you are left with a selection of items that appeal to the type of people that shop at Walmart. When there is no longer any leading edge in product development to follow, you are left with a supplier driven market. I don't really want to live a world where, if Walmart doesn't sell it, you can't get it.

[DarkWing6]

Think about lasting value of customers. When you sell something to somebody for $50 you shouldn't think of them as a $50 customer. Think about how much you will make on that person over the next 10, 15, or 20 years. That $50 customer may really be a $1,500 or $15,000 customer. That is how you should value customers.

You should think about Wal-Mart the same way. If they are going to make you $100,000 this year you may not want to think of them as a $100,000 customer because they are going to cost you $500,000 or your entire business within the next 5 years.

Investments are long term. I am not dumb enough to think about somebody based upon what they spend today. Think about what will benefit your company in the future.


When it comes to backup plans, these suppliers don't have them. Backup plans would be a plan in case they are no longer supplying Wal-Mart. They turn their business upside down to work with Wal-Mart. They don't think about not working with Wal-Mart. I am saying, if I were to work with Wal-Mart I would think about what is going to happen if I am no longer working with Wal-Mart. If MY plan fails, and MY backup plan fails, that is due to MY poor planning, and it is MY fault that I failed. Quit trying to blame other people for your own mistakes.

[325Projectz]

some suppliers should of never increased their overhead for soley walmarts production... but like i said, anything to increase profit margins. its being done, and walmart is the ultimate proof.

walmart is helping their suppliers increase production by giving them business. lets say walmart goes to some company and says we need x10 the amount of product you currently produce. walmart will buy all of it, but now this company needs a contract to make sure they'll keep buying it. they expand and their overhead increases. they now rely on walmart.

the business owners may have other plans in play but they don't always come to fruition. and the problem is they are gambling and losing. darkwing, i'm not saying your an idiot, but your saying you have a backup plan... what happens when your backfails? you're fucked and now wally has your company by the balls. are you trying to say that you're not going to sell you product to what could be your largest customer? from the numbers heeter put up, you'd have to find roughly 5 more stores to sell to, in order to replace what walmart did for you.

this is one of their tactics and if this wasn't the case, walmart wouldn't be a fraction of what they are now.

[Turf1600]

i'm siding with dave and heeter on this one.

money talks...

if you owned a business and you knew walmart would make your profits increase, you would sign in a heartbeat. its business. then you would expand, like already mentioned earlier in this thread, and rely on walmart to keep your doors open. when your contract expires, you'd have to renew or else you'd be out of business. this is when walmart would fuck you over and take away your profit margin.

Your point makes no sense. You're saying money talks - so sign a contract when you know wal-mart will fuck you over eventually. That's called buying in to instant gratification. I'm with darkwing all the way on this one. People need to look to the future and sack up - quit pointing fingers at wal-mart because it's the easy thing to do.

[DarkWing6]

i'm siding with dave and heeter on this one.

money talks...

if you owned a business and you knew walmart would make your profits increase, you would sign in a heartbeat. its business. then you would expand, like already mentioned earlier in this thread, and rely on walmart to keep your doors open. when your contract expires, you'd have to renew or else you'd be out of business. this is when walmart would fuck you over and take away your profit margin.

i'm not an idiot and would actually do some future planning. i would not rely on getting pricing and sales for a contract i don't have. especially from a company with the reputation of walmart.

if i am going to expand i am going to have a good reason for it and a back up plan in case things fall through. if i get screwed after walmart demands a low price that i cannot afford that is on me. it is my name and my company that signs the contract not walmart.

dont mean to burst your bubble, but some people know how to plan beyond their next paycheck.

[325Projectz]

i'm siding with dave and heeter on this one.

it is still a negotiation. if walmart says "this is our price" and you don't like it, you have the option to say no. dont supply them if you do not agree. if you sign the contract you agree with the price and terms outlined in the contract. you act like there is no competition to walmart out there. i understand they are way bigger, but there is still competition.

money talks...

if you owned a business and you knew walmart would make your profits increase, you would sign in a heartbeat. its business. then you would expand, like already mentioned earlier in this thread, and rely on walmart to keep your doors open. when your contract expires, you'd have to renew or else you'd be out of business. this is when walmart would fuck you over and take away your profit margin.

[eric (^__^)]

the thing that sickens me the most about Walmart (retail on the whole really) is the amount of worthless crap people buy, and end up throwing away. You can almost smell the buyer's remorse in the parking lot.

[rwh11385]

it is still a negotiation. if walmart says "this is our price" and you don't like it, you have the option to say no. dont supply them if you do not agree. if you sign the contract you agree with the price and terms outlined in the contract. you act like there is no competition to walmart out there. i understand they are way bigger, but there is still competition.

:-?

[eric (^__^)]

so Walmart has cornered the market on cheap, tacky shit.

since when are mom and pop shops making all their money on pickles and sweat pants anyway?

[DarkWing6]

+1

this may have been possible before Walmart drove out the supplier's other retailers with predatory pricing, but Walmart effectively sucked up their business

it is still a negotiation. if walmart says "this is our price" and you don't like it, you have the option to say no. dont supply them if you do not agree. if you sign the contract you agree with the price and terms outlined in the contract. you act like there is no competition to walmart out there. i understand they are way bigger, but there is still competition.

[rwh11385]

negotiate? with walmart?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

+1

this may have been possible before Walmart drove out the supplier's other retailers with predatory pricing, but Walmart effectively sucked up their business

[Sean5294]

nobody can negotiate with the walmart, they are all knowing and all powerful. you must first understand the walmart, gain it's trust and then strike. do not let the walmart suck you in with it's terrific prices or else the walmart will have you in it's clutches:twisted:!
:hitler: MMMUUUUHHHHAAAAAAAA!!!

[DarkWing6]

negotiate? with walmart?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

then don't supply them....are you new?

[Dave]

negotiate? with walmart?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[DarkWing6]

I don't understand how if you believe in a free [fair] market, how you can be okay with how Walmart skews the market with its force, a force it produced with illegal business practices and deceptive underhanded tactics.

I believe in a free market that would not force Wal-Mart to split up their business. I also believe in following the laws, which means they should be penalized, as the law states, for any unlawful activity they do (predatory pricing). I don't know if I agree with your statement on deceptive underhanded tactics. I think we will need to agree to disagree on this one because I think it is the job of the supplier to negotiate and read the agreement they sign. It is not Wal-Mart's job to hold their hands and wipe their butts.