Bush gets thwon a shoes at conference.

[smonkbmw]

25 Million Iraqi's liberated from oppression, imprisonment, rape, torture, execution, etc..

If it were up to you, Hussein would still be in power, still killing hundreds of thousands of his own people, invading countries like Kuwait, seeking WMD's, etc...

No elections. No education or rights for women. No nothing, just more torture, murder, rape.

yep, and this goes on in more countries than just Iraq. but where is there salvation? where is their "bail out"? id prefer that our troops were here back in the states doing what all other countries do, defending itself. not sending out troops abroad to finish off a vendetta that daddy started and failed at. at least he was smart enough to pull everyone home after he figured out his screw up. ive felt this way from the beginning and will continue to feel this way till everyone is home. its to bad that quite a few troops wont get that option, quite a few thousand actually.

i understand your point about going to a vet hospital. but unfortunately thats the benefit of living here i can think opposite of what anyone else does and not be persecuted for it. but its not the "war in iraq" that gave me that right.

[E30 Cabrio]

e30 Cab - are you one of those guys that believes that people from the Middle East want to kill us because "they hate our freedom"? You're doing a disservice to all members of all militaries currently in Iraq by being misinformed and easily misled into hateful, ignorant opinions.

They hate us because we are not Muslims.

Non-Muslims - Infidels who must die.

Jihad = Holy War. It's not hard to figure it out.

Or do they hate us because we are "puppets of Israel?" :hitler:

[kronus]

e30 Cab - are you one of those guys that believes that people from the Middle East want to kill us because "they hate our freedom"? You're doing a disservice to all members of all militaries currently in Iraq by being misinformed and easily misled into hateful, ignorant opinions.

[E30 Cabrio]

LOL whats irak??

Bush Fucked Iraq, it went from bad to ugly in Iraq . people can't afford to buy food,drink,they can't even afford to buy somthing new to their childrens .

If you see how the American soldiers treat Iraqi's , and kids you will never want to live in Iraq anymore. They treat Childrens so badly, they even hit some of them.

At least when saddam was a President , people used to go out , stay late , party , and do things like other regular people do . Now people are just sitting at home doing nothing . They can't even go outside . Someone told me that , they say good bye ,as they say it for the last time to thier families. It like you going out and saying that i might not comming back again ??can you imagine how that feels when you tell someone like your mother, father , etc somthing like that ? now a days people in iraq will do eveything for money , they simply have no jobs , no government to offer jobs , help for its people . Most of Iraqi's wish they could get out of Iraq and start up a new life .

so what i am saying my friend is that , don't beleive in what you see in or you hear these days . its totally different world over there. i can't imagine anything positive Bush did .Look what he did to his country?? i am pretty sure the economy is fucked in America , because of the war he got his people into . Instead of spending this huge amount of money and becoming a hero to the world he should of kept his Superman "ego" and avoided The tough lost to both sides.

i could go more and more man. i just feel bad for Iraq This country never saw a sense of happiness . Its like a huge dark cloud over this country and doesn't want to move on

Yeah, things were just dandy when Hussein was in charge...

[E30 Cabrio]

Too many US soldiers died in Irak. Nobody opposes this fact. Nobody wins a war, because loosing one soldier, or one civilian, is loosing one life too many. So, now that this aspect has ben cleared. Please let's go over the emotional side and be a bit more pragmatic.

The big question remains what was achieved. Did the death toll was reduced? What about that so shinny democracy that the war was suposed to bring? The crisis has exploded since the invasion. All the reasons for going at war have proved unfounded. Especially that if the war was for securing oil, then it failed too. The ennemy is in Wall Street. And the current violence between Irakkis is religious. Same with Afgahnistan. And no "war for democracy" can fix it.

There are 2300% more civilian deaths than the Bush administration admitted. So what's the benefit for civilian. Democracy in heaven? What about the "terrorists"? Well, they just travel around. Now, a lot of them are in Pakistan, which is a US-supported country. What an epic fail.

About casualties
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101001442.html

25 Million Iraqi's liberated from oppression, imprisonment, rape, torture, execution, etc..

If it were up to you, Hussein would still be in power, still killing hundreds of thousands of his own people, invading countries like Kuwait, seeking WMD's, etc...

No elections. No education or rights for women. No nothing, just more torture, murder, rape.

Ironically, the people he would've wanted to kill the most are the people that most opposed his demise.

Like I said, spend a weekend volunteering at a VA hospital and talk to soldiers who were there instead of reading the writings of left-wing keyboard jockey's.

But since you opposed taking out a murderous tyrant like Hussein and his sons while supporting Muslims attacking the POTUS, we already know where you stand...

[bimmer_E30]

Too many US soldiers died in Irak. Nobody opposes this fact. Nobody wins a war, because loosing one soldier, or one civilian, is loosing one life too many. So, now that this aspect has ben cleared. Please let's go over the emotional side and be a bit more pragmatic.

The big question remains what was achieved. Did the death toll was reduced? What about that so shinny democracy that the war was suposed to bring? The crisis has exploded since the invasion. All the reasons for going at war have proved unfounded. Especially that if the war was for securing oil, then it failed too. The ennemy is in Wall Street. And the current violence between Irakkis is religious. Same with Afgahnistan. And no "war for democracy" can fix it.

There are 2300% more civilian deaths than the Bush administration admitted. So what's the benefit for civilian. Democracy in heaven? What about the "terrorists"? Well, they just travel around. Now, a lot of them are in Pakistan, which is a US-supported country. What an epic fail.

About casualties
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...101001442.html

LOL whats irak??

Bush Fucked Iraq, it went from bad to ugly in Iraq . people can't afford to buy food,drink,they can't even afford to buy somthing new to their childrens .

If you see how the American soldiers treat Iraqi's , and kids you will never want to live in Iraq anymore. They treat Childrens so badly, they even hit some of them.

At least when saddam was a President , people used to go out , stay late , party , and do things like other regular people do . Now people are just sitting at home doing nothing . They can't even go outside . Someone told me that , they say good bye ,as they say it for the last time to thier families. It like you going out and saying that i might not comming back again ??can you imagine how that feels when you tell someone like your mother, father , etc somthing like that ? now a days people in iraq will do eveything for money , they simply have no jobs , no government to offer jobs , help for its people . Most of Iraqi's wish they could get out of Iraq and start up a new life .

so what i am saying my friend is that , don't beleive in what you see in or you hear these days . its totally different world over there. i can't imagine anything positive Bush did .Look what he did to his country?? i am pretty sure the economy is fucked in America , because of the war he got his people into . Instead of spending this huge amount of money and becoming a hero to the world he should of kept his Superman "ego" and avoided The tough lost to both sides.

i could go more and more man. i just feel bad for Iraq This country never saw a sense of happiness . Its like a huge dark cloud over this country and doesn't want to move on

[E30 Cabrio]

E30 Cab, I see your point.

But I have never seen anyone call the president the CIC or even better, the POTUS.

You've never heard the Commander in Chief referred to as "CIC" nor have you heard the President of the United States referred to as the "POTUS"?

BTW, I would be saying the same whether it's Obama, Bush, Carter, Clinton, etc...

It's not a left vs. right issue for me, it's about the Office of the President, although it is for others who have "BDS" and would rather politicize the war then win it just because they are filled with hate and ignorance.

I don't want some Islamofascist throwing shoes at the "POTUS" regardless of who he is, Democrat or Republican, for the reasons described above.

But some people are too blinded by hate and are too myopic to see the big picture.

[Massive Lee]

Too many US soldiers died in Irak. Nobody opposes this fact. Nobody wins a war, because loosing one soldier, or one civilian, is loosing one life too many. So, now that this aspect has ben cleared. Please let's go over the emotional side and be a bit more pragmatic.

The big question remains what was achieved. Did the death toll was reduced? What about that so shinny democracy that the war was suposed to bring? The crisis has exploded since the invasion. All the reasons for going at war have proved unfounded. Especially that if the war was for securing oil, then it failed too. The ennemy is in Wall Street. And the current violence between Irakkis is religious. Same with Afgahnistan. And no "war for democracy" can fix it.

There are 2300% more civilian deaths than the Bush administration admitted. So what's the benefit for civilian. Democracy in heaven? What about the "terrorists"? Well, they just travel around. Now, a lot of them are in Pakistan, which is a US-supported country. What an epic fail.

About casualties

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

[bimmer_E30]

So says the guy with the "Automagic" tranny.

And yes, I'm proud of the fact that I have a stock, clean, low-mileage, well-maintained car with a well-documented service and repair history that hasn't been screwed up with hack job "mods" and "R3V'd" like a lot of the cars here.

lol..

i have a 5sp E28 and 4sp E21:finger:

[E30 Cabrio]

HAHAHAHAHA

So says the guy with the "Automagic" tranny.

And yes, I'm proud of the fact that I have a stock, clean, low-mileage, well-maintained car with a well-documented service and repair history that hasn't been screwed up with hack job "mods" and "R3V'd" like a lot of the cars here.

[daniel]

E30 Cab, I see your point.

But I have never seen anyone call the president the CIC or even better, the POTUS.

[bimmer_E30]

says the guy that rolls a stock vert with no mods, yet lists every stock option in his sig like its aftermarket. im going to guess youve never priced out brake kits before? because if you had you would know that Massives kits are actually on the cheaper end of the spectrum for what you are getting. truth being, im sure Lee will get by without you.

HAHAHAHAHA

[E30 Cabrio]

Let me put it in terms for the ignorant so they can understand:

I, like many other Americans have family members and friends in Iraq and Afghanistan being shot at by AQ on a daily basis. Bullets, IED's, fanatics strapped with explosives, etc...

When ignorant people cheer an America-hating Muslim for throwing shoes at the US CIC, it emboldens these assholes who are trying to kill our soldiers, and also lowers the morale of our soldiers. And it also speaks volumes about your ignorance.

AQ also uses your ignorant comments for propaganda and recruiting purposes.

I'm sure you would have had a good laugh had one or both shoes hit our CIC, but our soldiers laying down their lives wouldn't think it was so funny, and AQ would use it as propaganda to recruit more members in their plan to kill us "infidels" - Bush haters included.

My hope is that those of you who were hoping that either one or both shoes would hit their intended target are just young, immature kids who don't know any better yet, as that is the only excuse for the stupidity displayed here on this thread.

What else would explain the fact that you're hoping that an America-hating, Islamic fascist would hit the POTUS/CIC with a thrown object?

That could have easily been a grenade and had it exploded and took out the President, our CIC, would you think it was funny if that happened?

It would do wonders for the morale of AQ, while damaging the morale of our troops who are there laying their asses on the line to kill as many members of AQ, who are on the defensive instead of the offensive and are fighting for their lives instead of planning another attack on the US, London, Spain, Bali, etc...and forces them to use their resources on fighting us instead of obtaining nukes and as mentioned, planning and executing further attacks.

How about some of you go and volunteer at a VA hospital one weekend and talk to some of the soldiers who were actually in Iraq and Afghanistan?

I bet you that you would have an entirely different perspective on what is happening in Iraq/Afghanistan by talking to them as opposed to reading what some ignorant keyboard jockey from some left-wing newspaper is writing.

[Need4Speed]

I just read all of this, just wonderful a Canadian starts this shit and we are laughing at it.

[Pinepig]

how many american soldiers died so this piece of shit has the right to throw a shoe? id like to see what would happen to that scum if he threw a shoe at sadamm while he was in power. he wouldnt have any arms after they cut them off. they are fucking animals.... if it was up to me id pull all the troops out and let those scumbags beat their women and kill each other.

You know damn well they wouldn't have cut his arms off. where the fuck do you get off saying shit like that.

They would have fed him through a wood chipper feet first and you know it so quit pulling shit out of your ass.