A True American!

[bergie_318is]

i agree with blunt, they are just doing their job, trying to "protect" america. why bother being stupid and trying to impeed their job? what a moron this guys is seriously, the police/guards what ever have a job to do, why not let them do it!

one of the most useless youtube videos i have ever seen

[jtb_29]

If a police officer asks for your ID you are required to provide it. But it's my understanding that the border patrol operates under a different set of rules. The video posted flashes some text of the law and it says something to the effect that a person can only be detained if there is reason to suspect he is an illegal alien.

Even more, the uselessness of the roadblocks is illustrated by the fact that they keep saying "Just say you're a US citizen and we'll let you go". Right, like illegal aliens wouldn't just lie. Or make a ruckus like that until they let you go.

It's poor logic but you could say that because they just let the guy go and didn't arrest him, they never had the right to detain him in the first place. In any case the process is clearly flawed.

I agree that the idea of this is a slippery slope and unconstitutional but if you're going to argue these points at least do the research. Using a youtube video as your only reference isn't the best idea. Let alone who made the video.

[Schneider325]

^your post is full of poor logic.
I'm not going to bother pointing it out, figure it out.

[e30fiend]

That's called a double standard.
One cop can ask and that's just fine and not unconstitutional but HOLY HELL if any other cops ask me if I don't feel they are asking for a "good reason".

If a police officer asks for your ID you are required to provide it. But it's my understanding that the border patrol operates under a different set of rules. The video posted flashes some text of the law and it says something to the effect that a person can only be detained if there is reason to suspect he is an illegal alien.

Even more, the uselessness of the roadblocks is illustrated by the fact that they keep saying "Just say you're a US citizen and we'll let you go". Right, like illegal aliens wouldn't just lie. Or make a ruckus like that until they let you go.

It's poor logic but you could say that because they just let the guy go and didn't arrest him, they never had the right to detain him in the first place. In any case the process is clearly flawed.

[Schneider325]

The right to own a house
The right to own a car
The right to a four day week
et.. al

:p

[joshh]

but rights being compromised by o-man are for our own good

You're heading for the slippery slope. What do you consider "rights"?

[joshh]

That is the point. He does have to stop at the border to show credentials, that is a great way to protect us Americans.

Now say I set up a road block at main street and 5th, stop you, and ask you to prove you're a citizen, or you can't get to work. This is exactly the problem with this road block.

That's called a double standard.
One cop can ask and that's just fine and not unconstitutional but HOLY HELL if any other cops ask me if I don't feel they are asking for a "good reason".

[gwb72tii]

but rights being compromised by o-man are for our own good

[Schneider325]

it's not 5th and main street, they are on a highway near the boarder.

Again, what the hell is with the backwardness?

Your pissing your pants because they are doing something that's not a big deal at all. Who gives a rats ass. Obama nor McCain debated over the situation during the election. The system is currently fucked, and no one wants to do anything about it. I say make it a little easier for them to come over, this is a free country.

If this was during the Clinton administration nothing would be wrong. You would be arguing MY point. Since it is under Bush, your going the other way, or at least it is how your perception has taking you.

What I find funny is under Obama, we're going to have more rights changed and taking away than probably with any other president in history (public over private).

Backwards a bit??

[E30 Cabrio]

Precisely.





Sure the guy was confrontational, but you bet your ass I'd be confrontational too if say, a cop knocked on my door and said "We're searching everybody's house in this block for no reason and unless you do a little song and dance for us we're going to harass you." He didn't do anything wrong so they let him go. After threatening to arrest him, of course. Are we supposed to just roll over because they ask us to?

That's quite a leap you're making.

Facts are, when you are out in public the police can ask you for ID and if you refuse to produce it, they can legally take you in until you prove who you are.

The guy was an asshat and was looking for trouble, was argumentative and just being an instigator.

The cops should have kicked his stupid, waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles, ACLU ass.

How can the ACLU claim to support civil liberties when they won't recognize the 2nd amendment as an individual right, as ruled by the SCOTUS?

Why? Because they are a left-wing group with an agenda, that's why.

You want to see a loss of rights?

Come to California.

Democrats have impeded 1st and 2nd amendment rights of citizens to the point where you should be outraged, but you're not.

Why is that?

[e30fiend]

Now say I set up a road block at main street and 5th, stop you, and ask you to prove you're a citizen, or you can't get to work. This is exactly the problem with this road block.

Precisely.

pardon me but you have no fucking clue
what, the border patrol sets up random roadblocks not authorized? the guy was looking for a fight and got one. what an ass/
you have no idea what it means to have your civil liberties taken away. do some research on US history during WWII.

Sure the guy was confrontational, but you bet your ass I'd be confrontational too if say, a cop knocked on my door and said "We're searching everybody's house in this block for no reason and unless you do a little song and dance for us we're going to harass you." He didn't do anything wrong so they let him go. After threatening to arrest him, of course. Are we supposed to just roll over because they ask us to?

[mikegar]

what actions?

[gwb72tii]

Again, that's the point; they attempted to force him to do something they didn't have the right to. What if they made you say "yes", hand over ID, do a background search, verify employment and housing etc., does that sound a little scarier? It's the same thing.

So what's to stop them from making you do a hundred other things? The answer is: our civil liberties.

pardon me but you have no fucking clue
what, the border patrol sets up random roadblocks not authorized? the guy was looking for a fight and got one. what an ass/
you have no idea what it means to have your civil liberties taken away. do some research on US history during WWII.

[Schneider325]

Yeah, that was a big mess up statement on my part. What I should of said was, there is going to be actions going under way, under Obama to change the bill of rights. As in, it wouldn't of be touched if Obama wasn't elected.

[Collin]

Does the guy have to answer at the actual border and show his valid credentials??

That is the point. He does have to stop at the border to show credentials, that is a great way to protect us Americans.

Now say I set up a road block at main street and 5th, stop you, and ask you to prove you're a citizen, or you can't get to work. This is exactly the problem with this road block.