A True American!

[mikegar]

well im a bit curious, i am honestly ignorant on this subject. (no sarcasm contained in that statement)

[joshh]

what civil liberties is obama trying to take away?

Might not want to go that route. It will most definately rape this thread.

[mikegar]

what civil liberties is obama trying to take away?

[CBi]

if you offend your god it is between you and your god. An offense to god is no offense to government, and that's the problem with islamic extremists, and why they hate us. We do not make our people accountable for religious offenses, only violations of clearly defined and ratified laws of man. Also, it's what makes us the best country in the world.

qfmft

[joshh]

Josh, have you not read through this thread? He's simply exercising his right. If more people like him don't soon start rearing their heads, this will certainly get worse. History DOES repeat itself, history has... proven this.

I can't believe you don't understand this. Of course he could have just said yes, everybody knows this. He didn't HAVE to say yes, they didn't have the right to stop and question him. It doesn't matter how simple the question is, it's out of principle that he declined.

If these DHS assholes really cared, I know of about 4 locations within 50 miles of my house where hoards illegal immigrants hang out every single day waiting for somebody with a pickup truck to employ them for a couple of hours. I'm sure everybody on this forum can think of places like this.

Waste of money. Waste of time. Unconstitutional.

Oh yes the ol "logic" of "you must not be reading". Therefor I must not understand. No, I disagree with you.
Does the guy have to answer at the actual border and show his valid credentials??

Again, that's the point; they attempted to force him to do something they didn't have the right to. What if they made you say "yes", hand over ID, do a background search, verify employment and housing etc., does that sound a little scarier? It's the same thing.

So what's to stop them from making you do a hundred other things? The answer is: our civil liberties.

A cop asking if you're a citizen of the United States of America is not unconstitutional. Then I suppose a check out lady asking for your Drivers License when you're buying a beer is also unconstitutional as well eh? Tell me the difference.

[Schneider325]

I find it scary how backwards some of you think.

You guys don't agree with checkpoints near a boarder, where all types of illegal shit goes down?

You have a problem with that, yet you probably voted for Obama a man who wants to take civil liberties away?

Did you guys not listen to the man in the video before the checkpoint? He states everything there, they had every right to stop him and ask if he was a citizen. What the camera man says before the checkpoint goes hand and hand with the link you sent.. Am I missing something?

[e30fiend]

Yet the asshole couldn't just say "yes".

Again, that's the point; they attempted to force him to do something they didn't have the right to. What if they made you say "yes", hand over ID, do a background search, verify employment and housing etc., does that sound a little scarier? It's the same thing.

So what's to stop them from making you do a hundred other things? The answer is: our civil liberties.

[Kilomph]

Josh, have you not read through this thread? He's simply exercising his right. If more people like him don't soon start rearing their heads, this will certainly get worse. History DOES repeat itself, history has... proven this.

I can't believe you don't understand this. Of course he could have just said yes, everybody knows this. He didn't HAVE to say yes, they didn't have the right to stop and question him. It doesn't matter how simple the question is, it's out of principle that he declined.

If these DHS assholes really cared, I know of about 4 locations within 50 miles of my house where hoards illegal immigrants hang out every single day waiting for somebody with a pickup truck to employ them for a couple of hours. I'm sure everybody on this forum can think of places like this.

Waste of money. Waste of time. Unconstitutional.

[joshh]

Edit: I'm sorry I posted the wrong US v Martinez, I wanted US v Martinez-Fuerte, which is here http://supreme.justia.com/us/428/543/case.html

Only impermanent checkpoints with may be set up to question/detain people, and only when agents working the checkpoint have reasonable suspicion of unlawful intent. This permits for DUI stops, but not search and seizure checkpoints on the basis of criminal background or nationality; also border patrol falls under a completely different set of guidelines. That's why we have border patrol agents at the borders, something out of the jurisdiction of The DHS.

Clearly a permanent checkpoint was shown, no suspicion of unlawful intent could be proven as the agents know who the man holding the camera is. Which also makes their first and only question "Are you a US citizen?" a moot point.

Yet the asshole couldn't just say "yes".

[Collin]

Proof?


Also, I'll be watching that documentary tonight.

Edit: I'm sorry I posted the wrong US v Martinez, I wanted US v Martinez-Fuerte, which is here http://supreme.justia.com/us/428/543/case.html

Only impermanent checkpoints with may be set up to question/detain people, and only when agents working the checkpoint have reasonable suspicion of unlawful intent. This permits for DUI stops, but not search and seizure checkpoints on the basis of criminal background or nationality; also border patrol falls under a completely different set of guidelines. That's why we have border patrol agents at the borders, something out of the jurisdiction of The DHS.

Clearly a permanent checkpoint was shown, no suspicion of unlawful intent could be proven as the agents know who the man holding the camera is. Which also makes their first and only question "Are you a US citizen?" a moot point.

[Kilomph]

http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/bbc...american-bias/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-BBC-News.html

Never did I say to take everything they said literally, but there's no doubt it's more accurate than most reports we get from our MSM. Oh wait, our MSM don't usually investigate what matters, they tend to stick with B.Spears.

[decay]

...because if there is one true and shining example of a government providing freedom and liberty for it's citizens, it's the UK. so you should absolutely listen to what its mouthpiece TV networks have to say.

(Kilomph, THAT was sarcasm. before was irony. see the difference now?)

[Schneider325]

Because they have no legal right to stop anyone or ask the question in the first place.

Proof?


Also, I'll be watching that documentary tonight.

[E30 Cabrio]

And finally, s'more sane people chime in. All good points, thanks for the input.

You guys should check out that BBC documentary, I think you'd like it.

http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/bbc-admits-anti-american-bias/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-411846/We-biased-admit-stars-BBC-News.html

[Kilomph]

And finally, s'more sane people chime in. All good points, thanks for the input.

You guys should check out that BBC documentary, I think you'd like it.