A True American!

[Collin]

There is a clear violation of a CITIZEN's rights and it's the citizen's fault?

They have no authority to ask if he is a US citizen at this checkpoint. At the border, on a routine traffic stop, sure; but no US citizen can be denied passage in the US without probable cause. These men knew who he was and detained him, which is quite clearly illegal.

Protecting citizens by violating their rights is not protecting citizens. How can you people not be upset over abuse of power?

All true Americans should have a healthy distrust of the government, as the violation of rights is an extremely slippery slope, and a hard one to see coming.

Edit:

they stop ALL cars, and the dude would not answer the question
why is it wrong. if the guy answers the question, he drives on.

Because they have no legal right to stop anyone or ask the question in the first place. Again: the violation of a citizen's rights is not the fault of the citizen, but the fault of said citizen's government.

It's our foreign policy that makes them behead people and kill thousands of innocent people...

That and the fact we're not Islamic fascists that won't convert to being such.

It's the fault of 7th century Islamic Lawmakers that made crimes against god crimes against the state.

If you offend your god it is between you and your god. An offense to god is no offense to government, and that's the problem with islamic extremists, and why they hate us. We do not make our people accountable for religious offenses, only violations of clearly defined and ratified laws of man. Also, it's what makes us the best country in the world.

[e30fiend]

The agents simply do not have the right to detain someone WITHOUT CAUSE OR REASON. Any argument about "but it's for the safety of our country! Just answer the question!" misses the point entirely. It's an extremely slippery slope when you start violating people's rights in the name of security.

What's next? Check points on every corner and police patrols randomly knocking on my door with no cause and demanding to know what I'm up to and where I'm from? Even if I WAS doing something wrong, you can't just violate people's rights in the name of security.

Not to mention the question the guard was asking is meaningless anyway. "Are you a US citizen?" Even if you weren't all you'd have to say is "Yes" and it looks like they'd just let you go. Waste.

Don't get me wrong, the intended purpose of such checkpoints is obvious. But again you can't go around stopping and questioning people WITHOUT RIGHT.

Seems pretty simple to me.

[Massive Lee]

"Lies as reality"

[sticksdaman]

and here i thought these political threads went the way of the dinosaurs back in november..

[Kilomph]

I'm glad somebody actually watched it! It's very eye opening, two and three are equally as surprising.

I love the bits in part one about the Neocons assuming that the Russians must have created undetectable weapons because they can't detect anything, absolutely hilarious.

[E30 Cabrio]

really?

i usually try not to resort to moral relativism, and i'm no fan of the neocons, but at least they don't advocate, yanno... beheading me...

It's our foreign policy that makes them behead people and kill thousands of innocent people...

That and the fact we're not Islamic fascists that won't convert to being such. :bow:

[decay]

The islamist perspective is scary. The Neoconservatist one is even worst.

really?

i usually try not to resort to moral relativism, and i'm no fan of the neocons, but at least they don't advocate, yanno... beheading me...

[Massive Lee]

Well said, M.Lee.

Kind of Off-Topic, but it's a great BBC documentary that many more people need to watch:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ghtmares&hl=en

Just finished watching part 1. Very interesting perspectives on the islamist and neoconservatist visions. Thanks for sharing this great British documentary. The islamist perspective is scary. The Neoconservatist one is even worst.

Lee

[E30 Cabrio]

The same idiots who said "Why didn't Bush do more to stop the 9-11 attacks" are now complaining about the US taking steps to ensure another attack doesn't happen.

This asshat went looking for trouble and found it.

Doesn't this guy have better things to do then waste time and tie up resources?

The Border cops were far more polite and patient with him then he deserved.

Oh, and fuck the ACLU - they refuse to recognize the 2nd Amendment as an individual right, and have no interest in protecting it despite the SCOTUS ruling it as such.
( Heller vs. District of Columbia) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distric...mbia_v._Heller

Here is the ACLU response to the ruling by the Supreme Court of the US:

"The ACLU interprets the Second Amendment as a collective right. Therefore, we disagree with the Supreme Court’s decision in D.C. v. Heller."

http://blog.aclu.org/2008/07/01/heller-decision-and-the-second-amendment/

Fuck those left-wing waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffless.

ACLUeless...

[decay]

lol, I'm a sucker

fixed.

[Kilomph]

i swore i read earlier in this thread you were done.

lol, I'm a sucker for waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles.

[blunttech]

So all you've got to is criticism over something that's hard to detect through the internets?

i swore i read earlier in this thread you were done.

[decay]

So all you've got to is criticism over something that's hard to detect over the internets?

My point exactly.

it's only hard if you're an idiot.

you've made me regret agreeing with your original point. congrats.

[joshh]

Wow buddy. Who stopped who?

Wow buddy, it's a REAL hard question to answer. And so personal to. Maybe if the asshole wanted to make a point he could have asked questions more specific to the problem he disliked. Instead he acted like an asshole and held others up behind him.
Fuck him.

[Kilomph]

So all you've got to is criticism over something that's hard to detect through the internets?