Congresswoman Gifford shot

[z31maniac]

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

- Senator Barack Obama, 2008 Campaign Trail.


How's that for EXPLICIT imagery?

[Vedubin01]

BREAKING ON FOX: DUPNIK'S DEPT RELEASED INFO THAT THEY HAD BEEN TO LOUGHNER'S HOUSE 10 TIMES BEFORE THE SHOOTING. (2:50pm CENTRAL TIME - 1/12/11)




If you want to lay blame, here ya go. Dupnik confirmed this in a Fox News interview yesterday with Megan Kelly, and Dupnik when pressed by Megan provided only limited comments because he said his attorney advised him to keep quiet. I saw this interview yesterday and posted about the death threats yesterday. Can anyone find the Fox News video?

EDIT: I FOUND THE DUPNIK INTERVIEW: START LISTENING AT THE 10:50 TIME MARK: VIDEO

http://thechollajumps.wordpress.com/

by James Kelley
Jared Loughner is a product of Sheriff Dupnik’s office
with 33 comments

This is the report that Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has been dreading since the tragic event on Saturday January 8.

The sheriff has been editorializing and politicizing the event since he took the podium to report on the incident. His blaming of radio personalities and bloggers is a pre-emptive strike because Mr. Dupnik knows this tragedy lays at his feet and his office. Six people died on his watch and he could have prevented it. He needs to step up and start apologizing to the families of the victims instead of spinning this event to serve his own political agenda.

Jared Loughner, pronounced by the Sheriff as Lock-ner, saying it was the Polish pronunciation. Of course he meant Scott or Irish but that isn’t the point. The point is he and his office have had previous contact with the alleged assailant in the past and that is how he knows how to pronounce the name.

Jared Loughner has been making death threats by phone to many people in Pima County including staff of Pima Community College, radio personalities and local bloggers. When Pima County Sheriff’s Office was informed, his deputies assured the victims that he was being well managed by the mental health system. It was also suggested that further pressing of charges would be unnecessary and probably cause more problems than it solved as Jared Loughner has a family member that works for Pima County. Amy Loughner is a Natural Resource specialist for the Pima County Parks and Recreation. My sympathies and my heart goes out to her and the rest of Mr. Loughner’s family. This tragedy must be tearing them up inside wondering if they had done the right things in trying to manage Jared’s obvious mental instability.

Every victim of his threats previously must also be wondering if this tragedy could have been prevented if they had been more aggressive in pursuing charges against Mr. Loughner. Perhaps with a felony conviction he would never have been able to lawfully by the Glock 9mm Model 19 that he used to strike down the lives of six people and decimate 14 more.

This was not an act of politics. This was an act of a mentally disturbed young man hell bent on getting his 15 minutes of infamy. The Pima County Sheriff’s Department was aware of his violent nature and they failed to act appropriately. This tragedy leads right back to Sherriff Dupnik and all the spin in the world is not going to change that fact.


UPDATE: I FOUND PROOF THE MOTHER WORKS FOR PIMA COUNTY

She is listed numerous times in this Pima County document: Link




UPDATE 2: Dupnik quote from NPR article: Link

"As we understand it, there have been law enforcement contacts with the individual where he made threats to kill," Dupnik said during a press conference Saturday evening. But he wouldn't say who those threats were aimed at.

UPDATE 3 ARIZONA STAR: Dupnik: Gunman made previous 'threats of death' but not against Giffords

He said the gunman was a subject of, “some police interest in the recent past,” and he has made death threats in the past, but not toward Giffords. There was no reason to worry about the Giffords event in advance, he said. The attack started at 10:10 a.m. amid a crowd of about two dozen people.

UPDATE 4: Pima county Sheriff dept refuses to release records of previous run-ins with Loughner
Link

"Sheriff's Department and community-college officials in Pima County are refusing to release a wide range of public documents about the man charged in Saturday's shooting rampage that left six dead and more than a dozen wounded."

"The Pima County Sheriff's Department and Pima Community College have declined to release documents that could shed light on run-ins they had with 22-year-old Jared Loughner in the months prior to the shooting."

UPDATE 5: Police Say They Visited Jared Loughner's Home Even Before Rampage

UPDATE 6: Officers stopped suspect on day of Ariz. shooting

UPDATE 7: Police records detail 10 previous contacts with Loughner home



UPDATE 8: Update from the blogger that broke the orignal story:

The Cholla Jumps Link

Loughner history with Law Enforcement/Mental Health system is becoming muddled

Since my last post concerning Jared Loughner and his past encounters with law enforcement, it appears that many people want and demand that my source for the information I posted be disclosed.

First and foremost, I struggled with ever writing the post I wrote. I had to source the puzzle pieces and vet the information with people who assured me they had first hand information regarding Jared Loughner. I wanted documentation. Unfortunately the mere possesion of the documentation would be a violation of HIPPA laws and the track back would be detrimental to the livelyhoods and lives of the people involved.

Anyone in Law Enforcement or Mental Health in Pima County that ever had contact with Mr. Loughner is now in bunker mode. Everyone is afraid of lawsuits down the road. They are evaluating their behavior and checking to make sure they followed all rules governing the care of Jared Loughner.

Lawfully some of the people that had knowledge of Mr Loughner could never come forward without subpoena by a lawful authority. Others are just too afraid.

It is my sincere hope that transparency in the investigation will prevail. We are dealing with very big issues that will affect the prosecution and defense of Loughner.

That is the only thing that should be of concern to law enforcement at the moment.

[Vedubin01]

and the beginning of the cover up by the sheriff, by not releasing public records............


http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/12...ff-in-america/

[gwb72tii]

"If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun."

- Senator Barack Obama, 2008 Campaign Trail.


How's that for EXPLICIT imagery?

thank you
apparently Lee has tuned into one side only LOL

and now we know there is no politics in the shooters deranged motives, he's just literally crazy

but has that stopped the left wing from trying to take advantage of this politically??

hmm?

[ck_taft325is]

Listen, Queen Lee in all his glorious smug "I'll just ignore you" armor is a frightened little boy with an attitude problem. We should just ignore him at this point.

Topic at hand? No, it hasn't. But, then again, why would it?

[gwb72tii]

it's odd don't you think that the left ALWAYS does this when a crazy man does crazy things
and just WHY do you think they do this???

control and power

talk radio will not survive the year

[kronus]

it's odd don't you think that the left ALWAYS does this when a crazy man does crazy things
and just WHY do you think they do this???

control and power

talk radio will not survive the year

And the right doesn't?

[gwb72tii]

both sides do it to a degree
but i don't recall the right using the murder of someone to further political aims, which the left does reflexively and consistently

i don' trust either side any longer

[Raxe]

LOL how is this the Sheriffs fault? Jesus that's ridiculous, why not blame the guy who did it instead of the damn police force who "should've prevented it."

Would all of you rabid constitutional rights activists have been happier if he had been arrested and locked up simply because there was an off-chance he might have done something more serious than prank calling? NO. You don't go to jail for making prank calls, especially if you have mental issues and may or may not understand what you're even doing. And as every gun lover enjoys pointing out, banning someone from buying a gun legally does not prevent them from obtaining a gun period.

[z31maniac]

I like that everyone is ignoring the suppression of documents on Loughner from the Pima County Sheriff.

Why?

Because his mom also works in the county gubmint.

What a great guy Dupnik is, gets up on his grandstand to politicize the event, while his officers had been in contact with the shooter more than half a dozen times because of previous death threats on public officials and local radio celebrities.

[z31maniac]

Also, the college that had him expelled said he would not be able to return unless he could bring a "mental-health certificate" back to the school to indicate he wasn't insane.

This happened in September.

Did the school inform the Sheriff's Office of this? If so, did the Sheriff's Office ignore it?


I find it interesting the guy was crazy enough he wasn't allowed to go to college, but could still purchase a gun.

[z31maniac]

Two more great articles on the Wall Street Journal web site this morning. They are free, go read them.

Both go through NUMEROUS, DOCUMENTED examples of the left hurling tons of "inflammatory rhetoric" towards the right.

[CorvallisBMW]

OK someone explain this to me, because it doesn't make a goddamn bit of sense:

A lot of people are claiming that the shooter was just plain "crazy", that it was 100% his fault and caused by nothing else but his "craziness"; not by political rhetoric, or (non-existent) gun laws, or whatever. It was simply the fact that he's nuts and went on a shooting rampage.

But then, after all that, you turn around and blame the Pima county Sheriff?

and now we know there is no politics in the shooters deranged motives, he's just literally crazy

but has that stopped the left wing from trying to take advantage of this politically??

hmm?

Claiming that the incident was completely non-political completely ignores his previous dealings with Gifford, the rants on YouTube, the scribbled messages on the envelopes found in his home, his tirades against his school as being 'unconstitutional', etc. If politics weren't involved, he wouldn't have targeted and shot a politician.

but i don't recall the right using the murder of someone to further political aims, which the left does reflexively and consistently

Have you forgotten about 9/11, the Patriot Act, the 2 wars we're involved in, the entire Rumsfeld/Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft neo-con debacle? Apparently you have. That's an awfully short memory you've got. Here, let me jog it for you:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm

The right deliberately and without shame fabricated evidence to sway public opinion against Iraq. Why? To further their political aims after 9/11.

Pot, meet kettle. I'm sure you'll be best of friends.

[z31maniac]

But then, after all that, you turn around and blame the Pima county Sheriff?

Yep, because his the Sheriff/Police had numerous dealings with this guy. WHy do you think DUpnik is supressing documents relating to the guy?

When new evidence comes to light, you have to take it into consideration, as opposed to dismissing it because it doesn't agree with your preconceived notions up to that point.

Between Feb and Sept the police were called to the school because of Loughner on FIVE SEPARATE OCCASIONS, finally in Sept he was expelled (and escorted off campus by police) and the school decided he needed a mental evaluation before he could return.

So,

Did the school inform the SHeriff/Police of this?

If yes, why did the Sheriff/Police ignore it, especially considering the direct, numerous contact on many occasions?

If no, why did the school NOT inform the Sheriff/Police even though students and teachers felt threatened?


My personal speculation is that the Sheriff knew damn well what was going on with Loughner but decided to ignore it. Hence the suppresion of documents and the blame at the feet of Dupnik.

[joshh]

OK someone explain this to me, because it doesn't make a goddamn bit of sense:

A lot of people are claiming that the shooter was just plain "crazy", that it was 100% his fault and caused by nothing else but his "craziness"; not by political rhetoric, or (non-existent) gun laws, or whatever. It was simply the fact that he's nuts and went on a shooting rampage.

But then, after all that, you turn around and blame the Pima county Sheriff?



Claiming that the incident was completely non-political completely ignores his previous dealings with Gifford, the rants on YouTube, the scribbled messages on the envelopes found in his home, his tirades against his school as being 'unconstitutional', etc. If politics weren't involved, he wouldn't have targeted and shot a politician.



Have you forgotten about 9/11, the Patriot Act, the 2 wars we're involved in, the entire Rumsfeld/Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft neo-con debacle? Apparently you have. That's an awfully short memory you've got. Here, let me jog it for you:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm

The right deliberately and without shame fabricated evidence to sway public opinion against Iraq. Why? To further their political aims after 9/11.

Pot, meet kettle. I'm sure you'll be best of friends.

You lefties keep saying they lied but never have anything to show for it....lol....as usual.

Congress voted on the Iraq war with the same information Bush had...which was shown to be incorrect. But the facts fly over your head because lefties have to find a Republican at fault. And keep in mind that Bush is just one of your kind anyways.

It's sad to see you can't even see that this sheriff had a real chance to stop this wacko but failed to do it. Then you're okay with that same failure of a sheriff to go on a political tirade about how this is Palin's fault..

That is pot meet kettle material.