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    Originally posted by gwb72tii View Post
    Not sure if trolling, or genuinely stupid

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      Originally posted by gwb72tii View Post
      brave, instead of peeking around from behind someone's back with your pea shooter, here's a challenge. post an original thought.
      Tangible irony.

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        Originally posted by cale View Post
        Not sure if trolling, or genuinely stupid
        My money is on the latter.

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          Originally posted by nando View Post
          what you don't see is the "rare" part that is happening all over the place.

          wheres your rebuttal to the hottest year on record? 2012 beat 1998 by 1 degree when usually the averages differ by tenths of a degree. of course since you won't bother to read the article, I'll point out that the difference between the coldest year on record (1917) and the previous hottest (1998 ) was only 4.2 degrees.
          Aussies had to change their temperature scale to accommodate the new temps.



          And couldn't pump gas:



          On Monday, temperatures in the town reached 48.2 degrees Celsius (118.76 degrees Fahrenheit), and drivers who stopped for gas were stymied when unleaded fuel became unavailable because it was vaporizing in the heat.

          Record breaking heatwave to continue this week

          The Bureau of Meteorology confirms extreme temperatures to continue for the next week, and provides a round-up of national temperature records broken during the January heatwave.
          "On Monday the average maximum daily temperature record for Australia was broken at 40.33°C. The previous record, 40.17°C on 21 December 1972, was held for 40 years. The daily average maximum temperature yesterday (8 January 2013) is a close third at 40.11°C.

          "The number of consecutive days where the national average maximum daily temperature exceeded 39°C has also been broken this week—seven (7) days (between 2–8 January 2013), almost doubling the previous record of four (4) consecutive days in 1973," said Mr Plummer.

          Extreme heat events, such as this one, have wide ranging impacts across agricultural and horticultural sectors, infrastructure and transport, and not least human health and safety. The Bureau is also providing advice through federal and state emergency services partnerships to assist during this heatwave and its impacts.

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            Australia and the US southwest are screwed. Dry areas will become drier and wet areas wetter. Glad I don't live in either.
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              Originally posted by herbivor View Post
              Australia and the US southwest are screwed. Dry areas will become drier and wet areas wetter. Glad I don't live in either.
              Yeah, we were down 15" last year on rain. Hopefully it won't be so bad this year.

              I wonder if all that talk about the Ogallala aquifer is true....
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                Well, this is certainly inconvenient

                the UK MET office has now officially reduced their projected warming, to basically zero. That would mean zero statistical warming from August 1997 to 2017.


                The UK Met Office seem determined to stand by their claim made in  response to the David Rose article in the Mail on Sunday: ‘The linear trend from August 1997 (in the middle of an exceptionally st…


                And as one warmist, Bjorn Lomborg, said, the UK MET projection is "a return to the humility that we probably should have had right from the start"
                Read the latest breaking news in Canada and the rest of the world. We bring all of today's top headlines and stories to your fingertips.


                and the USA record heat/weather extreme is an outlier, and apparently nando, cale and others are confusing weather with climate LOL.
                about 1/2 way down the following link NOAA’s State of the Climate (SOTC)
                The Week That Was: 2013-01-12 (January 12, 2013) Brought to You by SEPP (www.SEPP.org) The Science and Environmental Policy Project ################################################### Quote of the …
                “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
                Sir Winston Churchill

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                  Why don't you try linking to the actual NOAA report instead of linking to an excerpt of the report in one of your wacko conspiracy blogs?

                  I was just reading yesterday that the great lakes area has been at near record low levels for almost 13 years. It's expected to break the record this year.

                  it's costing their economy money. That's what you guys really don't get. This is already costing our economy billions of dollars every year in lost business and natural disasters, and it's not going to get better all by itself. But you'll probably be dead 20 years anyway, so fuck the young people right?
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                    Wattsupwiththat.com???

                    I scrolled through that page and found some interesting stuff... so I just googled 'NOAA’s State of the Climate (SOTC) 2012'

                    The January-November period was the warmest first 11 months of any year on record for the contiguous United States. The national temperature of 57.1°F was 3.3°F above the 20th century average, and 1.0°F above the previous record warm January-November of 1934.

                    During the 11-month period, 18 states were record warm and an additional 24 states were top ten warm.

                    It appears virtually certain that 2012 will surpass the current record (1998, 54.3°F) as the warmest year for the nation. December 2012 temperatures would need to be more than 1.0°F colder than the coldest December (1983) for 2012 to not break the record.
                    January-November 2012 was the 12th driest such period on record for the contiguous U.S., with a precipitation total 3.08 inches below the long-term average of 26.91 inches.
                    Not sure what are you trying to prove with that unless you are trying to get me to say except 'weird, our climate must be changing because we keep pushing temp and precipitation maximum and minimum numbers more in the last 20 years than in the previous 100. I wonder what we are doing differently that might cause that change?'

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                      not disputing NOAA's data re the USA, just that it appears to be local, which is not AGW, right? or do we have AGW in the USA only?

                      and the problem with averages is that one might conclude it was the warmest on record for all of us in the good ol' USA, which is certainly not true. the PNW had lower than normal temps in 2012, near record snowfall so far this year, and above precip totals.
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                        So lower than normal temps in one area of the US means that it wasnt the hottest year on record for the US?

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                          Originally posted by gwb72tii View Post
                          not disputing NOAA's data re the USA, just that it appears to be local, which is not AGW, right? or do we have AGW in the USA only?

                          and the problem with averages is that one might conclude it was the warmest on record for all of us in the good ol' USA, which is certainly not true. the PNW had lower than normal temps in 2012, near record snowfall so far this year, and above precip totals.
                          42 out of 50 states were at or above record levels and you think that looks "local"?

                          above precip totals? you're out of your mind. we had zero rain from June through mid-october. okay, we had .01" of rain one day in august, which is the only reason we didn't smash the dry-streak record, but only matched it.
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                            Originally posted by cale View Post
                            So lower than normal temps in one area of the US means that it wasnt the hottest year on record for the US?
                            Basic reasoning fail - but are you surprised at all?


                            So apparently it's not a good thing to keep burning dinosaurs until you create a health hazard to your population?

                            Children and elderly people urged to stay indoors as instruments measuring pollution break all records

                            The Beijing Municipal Environmental Monitoring Centre said levels of PM2.5, tiny particulate matter, had reached more than 600 micrograms per square metre in many areas, and Reuters said it may even have hit 900 – its worst-ever reading.

                            The World Health Organisation considers a safe daily level to be 25.
                            Children and the elderly were urged to stay indoors and some residents who ventured out wore face masks as the acrid murk entered its third day.

                            Air quality has long been a problem in the Chinese capital, but this weekend saw levels more than 30 times above the level judged safe by the World Health Organisation.

                            Breakneck economic growth, reliance on coal, dramatic expansion of car ownership and the widespread flouting of environmental laws have all contributed to China's air pollution problems. But the intensity of the current problem appears to be weather-related. The monitoring centre said the heavy pollution had been trapped by an area of low pressure and warned that the problem was likely to continue until Tuesday.
                            The US embassy said the highest pollution level it recorded was 755, corresponding to a PM2.5 density of 886 micrograms per cubic meter. The US Environmental Protection Agency says passing 300 on its air quality index would trigger a health warning of "emergency conditions".
                            Study published by Lancet says surge in car use in south and east Asia killed 2.1m people prematurely in 2010

                            In 2010, more than 2.1m people in Asia died prematurely from air pollution, mostly from the minute particles of diesel soot and gasses emitted from cars and lorries. Other causes of air pollution include construction and industry. Of these deaths, says the study published in The Lancet, 1.2 million were in east Asia and China, and 712,000 in south Asia, including India.

                            Worldwide, a record 3.2m people a year died from air pollution in 2010, compared with 800,000 in 2000. It now ranks for the first time in the world's top 10 list of killer diseases, says the Global Burden of Disease (GBD) study.

                            Yeah, not worrying about the environment and running away with coal and cheap [subsidized] gas in China really is making it a great place to live and prosper. (sarcasm)

                            Who willfully ignores their negative externalities and sacrifice many lives in favor of growth? Why not be smart and grow on a more sustainable basis? Is coal power really that cheap when you factor in the loss of life and also the black lung of the miners?

                            The strong nations of the future are going to use technology and innovation to live sustainably, not poison themselves from stubbornness or short-term gains.

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                              Originally posted by nando View Post
                              42 out of 50 states were at or above record levels and you think that looks "local"?

                              above precip totals? you're out of your mind. we had zero rain from June through mid-october. okay, we had .01" of rain one day in august, which is the only reason we didn't smash the dry-streak record, but only matched it.
                              come on nando, you're smarter than that. annual totals.
                              and local means the USA, nit the entire planet
                              “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
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                                and isn't it telling that rwh, and others, ALWAYS, and i mean ALWAYS, revert to the pollution scare when they can't argue the science.
                                nobody is advocating for pollution, and you know that. CO2 is not a pollutant, but you knew that already, or did you?
                                your sides arguments, and science, are withering in the face of honest scrutiny, and because we might point out areas of weakness in your failing logic, somehow we advocate increased acid rain, water pollution and widespread air pollution?

                                can't you do better than that?
                                LOL
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