Health Care Law Massacred in Supreme Court

[naplesE30]

^ Narrow minded fool.

So you believe that 50% of people who dont pay tax is sustainable. Raise taxes on the rich, give to those less fortunate(poor decision makers). Then lobby to get more on the welfare state, and also create a large new entitlement that will hurt buisness. 10yrs from now 60% dont pay taxes,, raise taxes again on rich. another 10 yrs 70% below poverty line, another 10 yrs govt has everyone dependent upon their handouts

When you have half a population that doesnt pay taxes, that can vote in reps that want to raise taxes on the other half to keep from paying taxes themself, any person with a modest amount of intelegence can see the end result.


To anyone interested read the anti-federalist papers by brutus,,,,, google it. Pretty much exactly what was feared in the 1770's has now come to light.

Healthcare is really the least this decision impacts. The scary thing is even if the healthcare bill is overturned the scotus decision is irreversible and permanent. I dont think I have ever read a dessent so scathing and for good reason. We now have 2 branches of govt based on the re-defining/writting of the healthcare law by scotus

[Charlie]

^ Narrow minded fool.

So you believe that 50% of people who dont pay tax is sustainable. Raise taxes on the rich, give to those less fortunate(poor decision makers).

So, just an objective question here. The guys who run the banks, hedge funds, money firms, etc, the ones that gambled hundreds of billions on Mortgage-backed securities, credit default swaps and other nonsense and lost it all, tanking the global economy and getting hundreds of billions to stay afloat, those were the good decision makers, right? The older white baby boomers who decided a second property fully leveraged on an ARM with the only viable way to pay it being a 20% yearly increase in value, good decision makers, right?

The 18 year old kid born to a family of 7 with a household income of 22k in east-bumfuck Mississippi with no healthcare and no prospects of finding a job, he's the bad decision maker, right?

-Charlie

[Vedubin01]

So, just an objective question here. The guys who run the banks, hedge funds, money firms, etc, the ones that gambled hundreds of billions on Mortgage-backed securities, credit default swaps and other nonsense and lost it all, tanking the global economy and getting hundreds of billions to stay afloat, those were the good decision makers, right? The older white baby boomers who decided a second property fully leveraged on an ARM with the only viable way to pay it being a 20% yearly increase in value, good decision makers, right?

Nope they should be held accountable and lose the right to continue working in their field. Kinda like a malpractice doctor.

The 18 year old kid born to a family of 7 with a household income of 22k in east-bumfuck Mississippi with no healthcare and no prospects of finding a job, he's the bad decision maker, right?

-Charlie

the 18 year old kid, has no one to blame but his parents and their poor decision making. This 18 year old kid got free education, free food at school. As well as his family would qualify for government assistance, Section 8 housing, and medical benefits. If he wanted to help himself, he would have done well in school and at the age of 18 be looking to go to college on a scholarship or many grants that are out there to help underprivileged people.

Its not the responsibility of the families that are making good decisions to support those that don't.

[Charlie]

Originally Posted by Thomas Jefferson
To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.

So, we're really gonna throw a Thomas Jefferson quote out here? The guy who was personally bailed out three times by the federal government due to insolvency, declared bankruptcy, sold off all his property and was still over 200k in debt (in 19th century funds, no less, not modern day adjusted) when he died?

I always giggle a bit when people try to use Jefferson in financial issues. The man was far from an expert in those matters. He was a massive spender.

-Charlie

[naplesE30]

Read the whole text. It is several sentences. Try to grasp the concept.

And to answer your off topic argument,,,,since you cant seem to refute the validity of the point I was making

Think about the policies in place that made the whole housing boom and subsequent collapse possible. Was it not the affordable housing act? Another example of an overeach of govt designed to benefit the working class. Who was hurt the most? Oh thats right the very people it was supposed to help by easing credit standards. A good idea in theory may not be good in practice.

Now to your ficticious 18yr old. What is stopping anyone from educating themself. I worked and went to community college. Then worked and transferred to a university. All paid for by my hard work, nothing given to me. Neither of my parents are educated. I have several friends who came from violent neighborhoods in north STL. They made the decision to do likewise. Life does not hand everyone the same cards but everyone makes decisions on how to play the hand.

[Charlie]

Read the whole text. It is several sentences. Try to grasp the concept.

And to answer your off topic argument,,,,since you cant seem to refute the validity of the point I was making

Think about the policies in place that made the whole housing boom and subsequent collapse possible. Was it not the affordable housing act? Another example of an overeach of govt designed to benefit the working class. Who was hurt the most? Oh thats right the very people it was supposed to help by easing credit standards. A good idea in theory may not be good in practice.

Now to your ficticious 18yr old. What is stopping anyone from educating themself. I worked and went to community college. Then worked and transferred to a university. All paid for by my hard work, nothing given to me. Neither of my parents are educated. I have several friends who came from violent neighborhoods in north STL. They made the decision to do likewise. Life does not hand everyone the same cards but everyone makes decisions on how to play the hand.

You sound pretty angry, why is that? I merely asked you to clarify your poorly written little rant.

Here's the funny part, I'm pretty conservative. I'm not 100% on board with this law. That being said, I find it hilarious that Romney is trying to attack the bill that is the exact same bill he created and enacted. The fact that most republicans and "conservatives" in this country are so tone deaf and blind, and frankly just dumb to not see this is kinda funny.

Healthcare in this country is fucking broken. It needs to be fixed, there is no debating this. ObamaromneyCare is *a* solution to this. Is it an ideal solution? Nope. But it is a solution. When prompted for their own solution to the plan, the republicans seem to only have one answer: "No". That's it. They're gonna stick their fingers in their ears and stomp their feet on the ground. That's insane.

Bush II shot a bunch of holes in the republican boat. The tea-partiers and Koch Brothers are doing their best to set it on fire while it sinks. The stupidity with the healthcare bill is just the latest in a long line. There was the budget stupidity last year that ended with the credit rating being lowered. S&P Said they had no reason ever to fear a fiscal default from the US, other than for a political stunt. The Tea Party idiots did just that. The retarded Grover Norquist no tax pledge is another just mind bogglingly stupid stunt. Fixing a budget deficit has to come from both ends. You have to cut spending, and you have to bring more money in. Yes, that means emergency tax breaks that were intended for a 2 year period that have been extended for 10 need to go away. Yes, that means that people who make more are going to have to pay more. There's no magic bullet.
"Fuck you, got mine" isn't sustainable in a consumer and service based economy when that "got mine" destroys the middle class that buys the rich guy's shit. The willful ignorance is astounding.

Then there's the wonderful cause of trying to fight a culture war that they lost 50 years ago and toss abortions and birth control. Seriously?

They're scraping the barrel. They've lost the moderates and independants and are basically relying on the bottom feeding bible thumpers and frankly "I hate black guys" crowd. I used to identify as a republican, I won't anymore. Frankly, at this point I'll barely identify as "conservative".

Under Obama, the democratic party has gone more centrist, to nearly Bill Clinton levels. The Republicans? They've gone off the fucking deep end. At the rate they're going, I don't see them being nationally relevant in 10 years. Seriously, we're talking green party-levels of national relevance.

-Charlie

[gwb72tii]

here you go charlie, and i won't say I TOLD YOU SO

a reason for conservatives to get motivated
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...thcare-ruling-

the messiah and his fucking ego rubbing it in

http://twitter.com/BarackObama/statuses/218527805934280705

[gwb72tii]

and anyone who believes Obamacare was passed in order to help the uninsured, fix healthcare and benefit those that can't afford to pay their own way are delusional.

it was obama's ego and the deomcrat's 75 year goal to control what is now 20% of the US economy. it further enslaves americans to the government and controls their lives.

did you know if your employer's healthcare plan can be deemed out of compliance with obamacare if it offers too much benefit? wrap your head around that.

[Charlie]

here you go charlie, and i won't say I TOLD YOU SO

a reason for conservatives to get motivated
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...thcare-ruling-

Rich guys threatened by the guy who's looking to close off their tax loopholes utilizing the unlimited superpac loopholes to donate a bunch of money to their buddy from the venture cap firm?

You don't say!

Seriously, when you've got a guy like Adelson who drops 10-15 mil at the drop of a hat on a campaign, does this really even seem like a large amount?

Did the sun also come up today?

-Charlie

[herbivor]

Life does not hand everyone the same cards but everyone makes decisions on how to play the hand.

Yeah, and the dealer is feeding aces to the rich, who tip the dealer graciously when they win the hand.

These kinds of analogies are a way to make complex issues sound simple, but they hardly represent the complexities of the issue at hand and if you depend on them for your own thought processes, it shows you are too dumb or lazy to try and grasp the complexities of the issue. I find this to be the case with people on the extreme ends of the ideologies.

With regards to ACA, it's a conservative program, invented by conservatives, and falls much in line with traditional conservative ideology. For those reasons I'm not crazy about it and wished for something more progressive but the fact that the conservative legislators are shitting on this bill tells me they either don't understand it, don't understand their own ideology, or are so hell bent on opposing anything Obama does, they sacrifice their own beliefs over the desire for power and control. For those conservatives that are not legislators, your hatred towards this bill mainly stems from propaganda rather than a true understanding of the bill's complexities.

[Charlie]

did you know if your employer's healthcare plan can be deemed out of compliance with obamacare if it offers too much benefit? wrap your head around that.

You got a link on that one? On, you know, something other than a freeper blog or a website telling me that Jesus is coming back in 2 years?

Having worked with a lot of employee health care plans, I don't think too many people are going to have to worry about them providing "too many" benefits. Given that the general trend has been a massive reduction in coverage and benefits and increased costs the past 15 years or so.

-Charlie

[gwb72tii]

Rich guys threatened by the guy who's looking to close off their tax loopholes utilizing the unlimited superpac loopholes to donate a bunch of money to their buddy from the venture cap firm?

You don't say!

Seriously, when you've got a guy like Adelson who drops 10-15 mil at the drop of a hat on a campaign, does this really even seem like a large amount?

Did the sun also come up today?

-Charlie

really? did you read the article? try again. 43,000 donations. that's not the rich donating.

do the math and report back. you should be able to without a calculator

[Charlie]

really? did you read the article? try again. 43,000 donations. that's not the rich donating.

do the math and report back. you should be able to without a calculator

You get pissy and nasty pretty quickly, don't ya? This why they slapped your hand on the FAQ?

I'm really not sure what you're trying to argue here man. Romney's a lame duck. Yea, there's enough anti-Obama sentiment in the US right now that if the GOP were to toss up a strong, vibrate candidate with a clear message and real solutions, they could take it. Instead, they're tossing out a guy with no message who's practically a clone of Obama politically, who's completely unrelateable to a good chunk of the US population, who is terrible in interviews, and happens to be a part of the weirdo underwear cult, enough to scare off the evangelicals.

He's onion flavored gum. He's the Bob Dole/John McCain. Guys past their time who are trying way too hard to adapt a message that was never there.

-Charlie

[Vedubin01]

Yeah, and the dealer is feeding aces to the rich, who tip the dealer graciously when they win the hand.

then you better start to learn how to count cards or go play at another table! ;)

[gwb72tii]

You get pissy and nasty pretty quickly, don't ya? This why they slapped your hand on the FAQ?

I'm really not sure what you're trying to argue here man. Romney's a lame duck. Yea, there's enough anti-Obama sentiment in the US right now that if the GOP were to toss up a strong, vibrate candidate with a clear message and real solutions, they could take it. Instead, they're tossing out a guy with no message who's practically a clone of Obama politically, who's completely unrelateable to a good chunk of the US population, who is terrible in interviews, and happens to be a part of the weirdo underwear cult, enough to scare off the evangelicals.

He's onion flavored gum. He's the Bob Dole/John McCain. Guys past their time who are trying way too hard to adapt a message that was never there.

-Charlie

nice.
just helping the blind