Israelis in Gaza or Ferguson, MO?

[BraveUlysses]

I think you have a point here, but it escapes me. I'll ponder it, but surely you can see the stark difference in the amount of coverage, you don't need a unit quantity to see that.

You could say that about ANY two similar events, right?

There isn't enough capacity or viewers/readers to have 100% equal coverage about everything, correct?

Does it mean that there's a media conspiracy to whip people into a fever? lol Does it mean that the public's response to this event is appropriate? probably not, but that doesn't mean that the FPD handled this well in any way.

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[/B]Thank you for clearing that up.
That was the point I was trying to make. I know I used the phrase "no national coverage" even though that was an extreme. However, the fact remains of the, as you and I both said, the proportion and unequal coverage is extreme to say the least. Which was the original reason why I came in mentioning the massive reactions to these incidences that seem to have the same factors in play.

RACIST!

Sorry, I had to do it. :D

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and by the way you should research some of those on that list. Many of the punishments received did not fit the crime.

example Robert Mohler for one. Crime was captured on security camera.

6/2 Robert Mohler, white male, murdered by black male. No national news.

Robert Mohler was a homeless man beaten up by four guys. He was admitted into a hospital and the four men were arrested. Molher was found dead the next day, cause unknown. Media speculated at first that the assault was the cause but a coroner has since ruled "inconclusive."

The four men are only being charged with assault instead of homicide. Killing someone takes a lot to prove in a courtroom and if they aren't convicted that's that. Assault, with various enhancements, is going to carry a seriously long prison sentence. If any of those four guys have no record and are being cooperative, they might get a couple years instead.

If people are incensed about that then they should go march like the community of Ferguson who are tired of police shooting their kids and adults--some of whom aren't always the nicest people but sometimes are just honors kids going someplace.

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but sometimes are just honors kids going someplace.

Source please?

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[/B]Thank you for clearing that up.
That was the point I was trying to make. I know I used the phrase "no national coverage" even though that was an extreme. However, the fact remains of the, as you and I both said, the proportion and unequal coverage is extreme to say the least. Which was the original reason why I came in mentioning the massive reactions to these incidences that seem to have the same factors in play.

ok, here yah go bud,

the problem is that in this situation the only "criminal" being talked about in this thread by you and others is Michael Brown who was not a criminal.

You even said that you don't care, he doesn't have to be convicted of any crime to be a criminal in your mind. Why the fuck is that? Because he's black?

You saw a video that you have been told is Michael Brown walking into a store and leaving with some things that he drops on the ground and slowly picks back up, and then the dude working at the store running up to the front of the store, and then someone that we've been told is Michael Brown pushing the worker away and walking out the door.

So we don't know what, if any, crime occurred from that video. Some of you and others responses are the reason we have a courtroom with a jury to look at evidence instead of just submitting video surveillance to the police and hauling people off to prison.

So you have to examine why you're so easily swayed by this video to convict Michael Brown of being a criminal. And you have to examine why you're so bothered by the media's coverage of a community going through a police occupation when so many on this board claim to be gung-ho for protecting the people from overreaching government. Problem being those gun-slingers don't do shit when these kinds of encroachments occur.

Where were you (or would you be), for example, during the Mulford Act?

[frankenbeemer]

You could say that about ANY two similar events, right?

There isn't enough capacity or viewers/readers to have 100% equal coverage about everything, correct?

Does it mean that there's a media conspiracy to whip people into a fever? lol Does it mean that the public's response to this event is appropriate? probably not, but that doesn't mean that the FPD handled this well in any way.

I'm still working on it. As far as conspiracy goes, I think the only thing the media conspires to do is increase their bottom line.

There is something to be said about the equality of tragedy, I suppose. I only mean that the families of that list are as affected by their loss as the Brown family by their loss. But this shooting and aftermath has highlighted police misconduct, militarization, and institutionalized racism. That merits the increase in coverage to me.

[BraveUlysses]

I'm still working on it. As far as conspiracy goes, I think the only thing the media conspires to do is increase their bottom line.

There is something to be said about the equality of tragedy, I suppose. I only mean that the families of that list are as affected by their loss as the Brown family by their loss. But this shooting and aftermath has highlighted police misconduct, militarization, and institutionalized racism. That merits the increase in coverage to me.

[slaterd]

the problem is that in this situation the only "criminal" being talked about in this thread by you and others is Michael Brown who was not a criminal.

So surveillance cameras are no longer able to be used as evidence against a CRIMINAL…someone who violates the law through a criminal act?

You even said that you don't care, he doesn't have to be convicted of any crime to be a criminal in your mind. Why the fuck is that? Because he's black?

I said I don’t care if he was convicted or not because he was seen as taking part in a criminal act and then assaulting the store clerk. Video doesn’t lie bud. Get your head out of the racist pot and stop pulling the race card for an argument. Sorry bud, I’m not racist. I’m a firm believer in 100% equality, good and bad. However, the media is extremely skewed. If anything is mentioned in the white community about this being unequal, immediately this person is a klan member and is automatically a racist. As I said, you have proven my point on that.

You saw a video that you have been told is Michael Brown walking into a store and leaving with some things that he drops on the ground and slowly picks back up, and then the dude working at the store running up to the front of the store, and then someone that we've been told is Michael Brown pushing the worker away and walking out the door.

As I said, video surveillance is used to convict criminals who carry out unlawful acts.

So you have to examine why you're so easily swayed by this video to convict Michael Brown of being a criminal. And you have to examine why you're so bothered by the media's coverage of a community going through a police occupation when so many on this board claim to be gung-ho for protecting the people from overreaching government. Problem being those gun-slingers don't do shit when these kinds of encroachments occur.

Video doesn’t lie bud.

Where were you (or would you be), for example, during the Mulford Act?

After reading it, against the bill…being all “yee-haw, Klan territory residing, racist white person I am”, I cherish my right to bear arms.

[slaterd]

I'm still working on it. As far as conspiracy goes, I think the only thing the media conspires to do is increase their bottom line.

There is something to be said about the equality of tragedy, I suppose. I only mean that the families of that list are as affected by their loss as the Brown family by their loss. But this shooting and aftermath has highlighted police misconduct, militarization, and institutionalized racism. That merits the increase in coverage to me.

Exactly my point!!!! Where is the racism? Where is the proof that this was a racist act without looking at black victim + white police officer=racism? If you can't find the racial motive then why does this get the reaction it does? It can't be the "militarization" of the police. If this is a surprise to you then you've been ignorant to the headlines for sometime now. Even then, if you haven't learned by now "don't fuck with the cops" then you're an idiot. So far witness testimonies have bounced around everywhere saying he was running from the cop (no bullet entry through the back so that was fabricated). Whereas the police officer's testimony has ran parallel with autopsy and other witness testimonies.

Also, the police officer had a fractured eye socket which shows of a struggle between the two. You're telling me that an average size police officer just grabbed a 6' + 300lbs. man through the window because he was J-walking? Come on...

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I'll probably get a shit ton of crap for saying this and be labeled a flaming racist...but so be it. I have a good family friend who is a cop in Dallas, known him for years before he became a cop, without a doubt not a born and raised klan member. After working this job and the disproportionate amount of black people he comes into contact on a nightly basis is absolutely bound to ingrain some sort of racial bias. For lack of a better example, it's like eating Chipotle once a week and enjoying it for the most part, then you get a job there and the last thing you want to do is another double wrapped burrito.

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Exactly my point!!!! Where is the racism? Where is the proof that this was a racist act without looking at black victim + white police officer=racism? If you can't find the racial motive then why does this get the reaction it does? It can't be the "militarization" of the police. If this is a surprise to you then you've been ignorant to the headlines for sometime now. Even then, if you haven't learned by now "don't fuck with the cops" then you're an idiot. So far witness testimonies have bounced around everywhere saying he was running from the cop (no bullet entry through the back so that was fabricated). Whereas the police officer's testimony has ran parallel with autopsy and other witness testimonies.

Also, the police officer had a fractured eye socket which shows of a struggle between the two. You're telling me that an average size police officer just grabbed a 6' + 300lbs. man through the window because he was J-walking? Come on...

Just to put this stupid shit to rest, getting shot in the back doesn't necessarily mean he was rushing the cop like an idiot. He could have been running like the witnesses said, stopped and turned around as ordered, put his hands up and been shot. That would be consistent with his injuries.

[slaterd]

So a well trained, seasoned officer that has had ZERO disciplinary actions against him just decided one day "hey, I'm going to shoot this unarmed, black man, who has surrendered, in this community, with witnesses everywhere?" That's what you're telling me? Really?! I understand there's a problem with abuse of power with police officers, but just openly shooting someone in the cranial vicinity is looking for a death shot. I don't think even if he was feeling to abuse his power would shoot at an unarmed, surrendered man's head without his life being in serious danger.

[slaterd]

RACIST!

Sorry, I had to do it. :D

Lol!
You sir are a gentleman and a scholar.

[mrsleeve]

this thread has gone right to shit..............

[z31maniac]

Just to put this stupid shit to rest, getting shot in the back doesn't necessarily mean he was rushing the cop like an idiot. He could have been running like the witnesses said, stopped and turned around as ordered, put his hands up and been shot. That would be consistent with his injuries.

Huh?

Not that I'm on either side here, but the autopsy has shown all 6 shots were in the front including the fatal shot to the FOREHEAD.

Add in 12+ witnesses corroborating the officers story.

Can you point me to what you've read that counters this?