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      Oh yes the decades of racial politics has nothing at all to do with Detroit's crime rate
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        Crime driven by poverty mostly.

        Louisiana is deeply Republican and we have the same issues.
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          What bugs the hell out of me when I hear about grossly invasive airport searches is why that same level of searching and interrogation isn't used on mass shooting perpetrators who had been reported multiple times to the police prior.
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            Originally posted by Massive Lee View Post
            Both False Equivalencies

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              I have a friend that is a border patrol agent. He is on the ground at the border. I was thinking a wall was just a political move and just so they can say, see look what we built.

              So I asked him, would a wall actually help. He said, yes. Without a doubt.

              So that has changed my mind on a wall.
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                Of course it would freaking help. Its so damn simple and obvious it’s mind blowing how it has not been done. It won’t be the end all be all but it will def help. So would immediately sending caught illegal migrants at the border back home. I mean if you fucking worked you ass off for years to save to pay a coyote to smuggle you across and you were caught and sent home..... all that hard work and money wasted you don’t think it’s going to dissuade others from making the same trek. But neither side want to kill that golden calf by doing anything about it.

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                  Originally posted by naplesE30 View Post
                  Of course it would freaking help. Its so damn simple and obvious it’s mind blowing how it has not been done. It won’t be the end all be all but it will def help. So would immediately sending caught illegal migrants at the border back home. I mean if you fucking worked you ass off for years to save to pay a coyote to smuggle you across and you were caught and sent home..... all that hard work and money wasted you don’t think it’s going to dissuade others from making the same trek. But neither side want to kill that golden calf by doing anything about it.
                  counterpoint: we were responsible for a lot of the security infrastructure in western europe post-ww2. they learned from us, and built on it, and arguably have a better one than we have now, and it hasn't stopped mass migration.

                  what the fuck is drumpf's half-assed wall going to do in the face of forced migration that's only going to increase, because of both sociopolitical and environmental circumstances?

                  absolutely nothing.

                  the wall you're talking about is a waste of money, both because it'll be ineffective and because it fails to address the root cause.
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                    I'm opposed to the wall for two main reason, mostly because of the cost.
                    All we hear about is the cost to build, but what about maintenance? What about long term costs? It's almost impossible to project those.

                    Simply, we have better things we should be spending China's money on.

                    Also, you can't patrol then entire perimeter, ladders, manlifts all exist.
                    Even the Great Wall of China didn't keep the Mongols out.

                    Do we need border security?
                    Certainly, but the influx of people coming over changes over the years, manpower should be able to adjust as needed, as opposed to a wall.
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                      Originally posted by naplesE30 View Post
                      So would immediately sending caught illegal migrants at the border back home. I mean if you fucking worked you ass off for years to save to pay a coyote to smuggle you across and you were caught and sent home..... all that hard work and money wasted you don’t think it’s going to dissuade others from making the same trek.
                      This was what has been called "Catch and release" and has been heavily criticized under the Bush and Obama administrations.

                      Rightfully so, they just keep on coming in many instances. It's not a permanent solution.
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                        Originally posted by decay View Post
                        counterpoint: we were responsible for a lot of the security infrastructure in western europe post-ww2. they learned from us, and built on it, and arguably have a better one than we have now, and it hasn't stopped mass migration.

                        what the fuck is drumpf's half-assed wall going to do in the face of forced migration that's only going to increase, because of both sociopolitical and environmental circumstances?

                        absolutely nothing.

                        the wall you're talking about is a waste of money, both because it'll be ineffective and because it fails to address the root cause.

                        You mean the same Europe that pays African countries, like Sudan, to send migrants back to their home countries?
                        https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/w...ion-sudan.html

                        What has been the impact of walls in Israel and the amount of terror attacks since the walls were erected?
                        https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...-90-percent-r/


                        Please use sources instead of character attacks to refute these.
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                          Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
                          You mean the same Europe that pays African countries, like Sudan, to send migrants back to their home countries?
                          https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/w...ion-sudan.html
                          Definitely a lesson to be learned here.

                          Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
                          What has been the impact of walls in Israel and the amount of terror attacks since the walls were erected?
                          https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...-90-percent-r/
                          Not really apples to apples here.
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                            Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
                            You mean the same Europe that pays African countries, like Sudan, to send migrants back to their home countries?
                            https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/w...ion-sudan.html

                            What has been the impact of walls in Israel and the amount of terror attacks since the walls were erected?
                            https://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...-90-percent-r/


                            Please use sources instead of character attacks to refute these.
                            calling the wall a half-assed effort is not a character attack, it's a criticism of the idea.
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                              Originally posted by Melon View Post
                              Not really apples to apples here.
                              Explain how? The walls in Israel were built to stop terrorists from coming to their country. For the most part, they have worked very well.

                              And even though there aren't terrorists coming from Mexico, building a big wall that is defended cuts down on the ability for illegals to be here.

                              Let's get past quips, and discuss it, how is the principle behind the walls not the same?

                              Originally posted by decay View Post
                              calling the wall a half-assed effort is not a character attack, it's a criticism of the idea.
                              I didn't say that, I asked you to refute the stories (that I provided sources for) without Ad Hominems (against me or anyone else). Because the points you tried to make are easily disproven with the smallest amount of research.

                              So I'll ask you again, please provide sources that refute my argument against yours.
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                                Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
                                Explain how? The walls in Israel were built to stop terrorists from coming to their country. For the most part, they have worked very well.

                                And even though there aren't terrorists coming from Mexico, building a big wall that is defended cuts down on the ability for illegals to be here.

                                Let's get past quips, and discuss it, how is the principle behind the walls not the same?
                                Not the same scope;

                                The Wall you describe is much smaller, and easier to patrol. A border wall across the southern border of the United States would have to be about (4) times longer. Stats show that it did stop suicide bombings, but that's not what we're up against here. Lastly, and this most importantly, that wall is built in an area with disputed territory, the Mexican border isn't contested, so there's no issue to dispute with a physical border.

                                That's why I say it's not apples to apples.
                                It's not the same type of location, nation:nation vs. disputed territory:disputed territory

                                These are migrants, not terrorists

                                The wall in the US would need to be much much longer.

                                In summary, it doesn't pass my cost benefit analysis.

                                No quips here man. Just my .02.
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