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    Most of the people that claim taxation is theft also believe in supporting our military in every sense, yes the ironing is strong with that sort.

    Much of the taxation debate also comes down to where you live in the country. If you're in a city area you are quite understanding of taxation because you see the benefits of it right in front of you every day. Much of the infrastructure of urban areas is built and maintained by taxation.

    If you live in a rural area, you don't really get that immersion, there are a couple roads and a few traffic lights, a few police officers, a volunteer fire department, there's really not much that needs to be paid for and therefore not much needed in the way of taxes.

    To me the necessity of taxation is there for all, however quantifying it becomes a matter of perspective based on several variables, location being one of the most important.

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      Originally posted by cale View Post
      It's difficult to quantify how much is enough. You have some who think all taxation is theft, but most rational people accept a certain amount is necessary for a society to flourish. I'd like to see what exactly those tax savings resulted in. Were funds allocated more efficiently, or were cuts simply made and now you get less for less? I like my money to stay mine too, but I also like driving on roads, educating kids and not paying half a million for a major operation.

      A rational poster in R3V P&R??? No ways Jose!!!

      Additional taxes in my pocket is great Exodus. But in our current fiscal situation... it does nothing without large spending cuts. From things both sides don't want to cut, social spending, gov't wages/jobs, DEFENSE, etc.
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        Originally posted by mbonder View Post
        Most of the people that claim taxation is theft also believe in supporting our military in every sense, yes the ironing is strong with that sort.

        Much of the taxation debate also comes down to where you live in the country. If you're in a city area you are quite understanding of taxation because you see the benefits of it right in front of you every day. Much of the infrastructure of urban areas is built and maintained by taxation.

        If you live in a rural area, you don't really get that immersion, there are a couple roads and a few traffic lights, a few police officers, a volunteer fire department, there's really not much that needs to be paid for and therefore not much needed in the way of taxes.

        To me the necessity of taxation is there for all, however quantifying it becomes a matter of perspective based on several variables, location being one of the most important.
        Nah, it's mostly Republicans that claim to hate the government, while wanting to use it to impose their will on everyone else.

        Show me a republican that hates socialism and I'll show you a republican that had no problem with my tax dollars educating their rugrat. And have no defense other than "you want an educated populous, right?"

        Both sides have so many indefensible positions. It's really fucking sad so many people can't get past their blind hate to see it.
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          I see it as more nuanced than that though. Taxation isn't necessarily as partisan as people make it out to be.

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            Originally posted by mbonder View Post
            Most of the people that claim taxation is theft also believe in supporting our military in every sense, yes the ironing is strong with that sort.

            Much of the taxation debate also comes down to where you live in the country. If you're in a city area you are quite understanding of taxation because you see the benefits of it right in front of you every day. Much of the infrastructure of urban areas is built and maintained by taxation.

            If you live in a rural area, you don't really get that immersion, there are a couple roads and a few traffic lights, a few police officers, a volunteer fire department, there's really not much that needs to be paid for and therefore not much needed in the way of taxes.

            To me the necessity of taxation is there for all, however quantifying it becomes a matter of perspective based on several variables, location being one of the most important.
            Don't forget those taxation-is-theft types who want to transfer to a pay for what you use system. Enjoy your $1500/month power bills to pay for the infrastructure to get it out to the boonies. Theres a reason taxation is thousands of years old, the level of corruption has just diminished a bit.

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              Originally posted by mbonder View Post
              I see it as more nuanced than that though. Taxation isn't necessarily as partisan as people make it out to be.
              You're being more polite about it than I am.

              Originally posted by cale View Post
              Don't forget those taxation-is-theft types who want to transfer to a pay for what you use system. Enjoy your $1500/month power bills to pay for the infrastructure to get it out to the boonies. Theres a reason taxation is thousands of years old, the level of corruption has just diminished a bit.
              "But if we need roads hur peeple will pay fir it"
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                Come on now, I think you will find most conserivtives are not oppsed to taxes in the least, it the utilization of those dollars and wastefullness of how the various forms of govt use them that many of us find lacking. The more localized the taxing entity the more say, and more use one sees out them, yet the bull of the taxes levied are sent to dc, and well....... you have stated the rest
                Originally posted by Fusion
                If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
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                  Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                  Come on now, I think you will find most conserivtives are not oppsed to taxes in the least, it the utilization of those dollars and wastefullness of how the various forms of govt use them that many of us find lacking. The more localized the taxing entity the more say, and more use one sees out them, yet the bull of the taxes levied are sent to dc, and well....... you have stated the rest
                  No one likes to see wasted tax money. You think this is an R thing?

                  You think the general public likes to see wasted tax dollars?

                  COme on man.
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                    Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                    Come on now, I think you will find most conserivtives are not oppsed to taxes in the least, it the utilization of those dollars and wastefullness of how the various forms of govt use them that many of us find lacking. The more localized the taxing entity the more say, and more use one sees out them, yet the bull of the taxes levied are sent to dc, and well....... you have stated the rest
                    Unfortunately the "conservative" politicians are just as guilty as the lefties of wasteful spending. I won't pose that they are more so as it's a moot point.

                    What I find puzzling though is how conservative voters, with so-claimed fiscally conservative spending beliefs, continue to vote for non-fiscally conservative candidates. I'm guessing it's simply because of the (R) next to them on the ballot.
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                      Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
                      No one likes to see wasted tax money. You think this is an R thing?

                      You think the general public likes to see wasted tax dollars?

                      COme on man.
                      Yes like the City Counsel of Seattle is basically trying to chase off 3 Huge companies and amazons current expansion project to give 400m a year to the homeless??????? Seems much of the population of Seattle was good with this new tax, since it was voted on by the duly elected city counsel with out 1 dissenting vote.

                      Originally posted by Schnitzer318is View Post
                      Unfortunately the "conservative" politicians are just as guilty as the lefties of wasteful spending. I won't pose that they are more so as it's a moot point.

                      What I find puzzling though is how conservative voters, with so-claimed fiscally conservative spending beliefs, continue to vote for non-fiscally conservative candidates. I'm guessing it's simply because of the (R) next to them on the ballot.
                      Well your not 100% wrong, for many "conservative" voters its more about the churchyness and their public pro life views more, than it is about how they spend the taxes we all send to DC. My inlaws vote only on the abortion issue ONLY, as to do 90% of their extended family, as what would you expect from hard line Lutherans, they dont care what they pay in taxes so long as the people they vote for are "publicly" opposed to abortion.

                      This brings in the issue of the single issue voter, Conservative and Liberal alike from the gay marriage people, to the pro life, to the firearms, to the taxes, to the spending to the pro life, people or any other hot button political football of the day. The single issue voter is how these idiots keep getting in and staying in. So long as the Pol. support what that voter deems the "most important issue" they get the vote to be dammed if the rest of the package actually aligns with the rest of the voters value set.

                      The lesser of 2 evils is what your getting at, The Dems current platform does not generally align with most conservatives general values, so yes the R gets the vote anyway...... Is it right, no not really, but it unfortunately is the reality of the world we live in
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                      Originally posted by Fusion
                      If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                      The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                      The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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                        Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                        Come on now, I think you will find most conserivtives are not oppsed to taxes in the least, it the utilization of those dollars and wastefullness of how the various forms of govt use them that many of us find lacking. The more localized the taxing entity the more say, and more use one sees out them, yet the bull of the taxes levied are sent to dc, and well....... you have stated the rest
                        What wasteful spending in DC are we focusing on? I'll say that "wasteful" is also based on perspective. I'd imagine that in order for that spending allocation to take place at some point it had to be deemed as useful spending to someone. I think that's the problem here as well, is that people have trouble understanding that some of their tax money will be used for projects that they don't deem necessary but some other people in the country will deem necessary.

                        An example I guess: I don't really see the point in some of the spending on military hardware as necessary. I can appreciate the engineering feats that create these magical planes and helicopters, and weapons, but I don't really think it's necessary for our common defense. Speak to one of my friends that is active duty military, however, and he will argue the exact opposite. Am I wrong or is he wrong? In the end I think the answer is neither and I'd rather spend the money even if I feel it unnecessary because I'm able to defer to others that feel it is necessary. Kind of like a marriage, it's always going to be a 60/40 split, circumstances will determine which side of that split you're on.

                        I'll also state that I believe there are times when compromise needs to move in the opposite direction so that spending cuts are made for the better of society as well. This is obviously much more difficult, in large part because I think most politicians are so beholden to large money donors that they lack enough backbone to make these tough decisions.

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                          Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                          Well your not 100% wrong
                          Interesting way of beginning your reply. Can't tell if it's an intended slight, or just a colloquialism to begin the thought.

                          Single issue voting is certainly an issue, on both sides. I agree.

                          I was also puzzled by Seattle's current plan for the homeless "infusion." Not sure what their end goal is for the problem (and their proposed solution) but I believe Amazon is already planning to jump somewhere else (Atlanta maybe? I forget where) and expand a current project to be their new headquarters.
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                            Lol yes that was intended as a colloquial intor..

                            Amazon has been auditioning many cities for a 2ed us HE, all while expanding infrastructure in Seattle until this new idea from the city counsel
                            Originally posted by Fusion
                            If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                            The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                            The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                            Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                            William Pitt-

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                              Amazing a fellow like Donald Trump, the dunce or idiot or clown as some of you think he is, is so smart as to be able to hide collusion and obstruction of justice eveidence from some of the brightest law enforcement and legal minds in the country for more than two years. And that the Obama admin thought they had to spy on him:

                              http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...against-trumps
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                                Originally posted by gwb72tii View Post
                                Amazing a fellow like Donald Trump, the dunce or idiot or clown as some of you think he is, is so smart as to be able to hide collusion and obstruction of justice eveidence from some of the brightest law enforcement and legal minds in the country for more than two years. And that the Obama admin thought they had to spy on him:

                                http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...against-trumps
                                No, his "genius" is that sheeple like you believe any brain fart he expels.

                                This will be just like hundreds of his other "many people say" lies like Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.

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