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  • cale
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    Originally posted by E30 Wagen View Post
    Obviously disparities exist and I'm not going to downplay the legacy of segregation. No, I don't believe that a zip code determines future success. It's the people in that zip code, families with common values living together in safe, supportive communities. You've acknowledged the disproportionate number of black kids growing up without two parents but lay no fault with the men who bolt. I'd be interested to know how many single mothers live in these disparaged zip codes because I strongly believe that broken families are the root cause of the social problems the black community has. The data is there. The question has been posed to you a few times now but you're not answering: how are white people causing black men to abandon their families?
    You're still only taking a surface level look at this. The question is why are single parent homes so prevalent in black families, what in their communities causes this. To ignore the glaring differences in opportunity over the last century as well as the significant differences in how black men are prosecuted for the same crimes with the same criminal history as other races, is hugely ignorant. This isn't even beginning to account for predominantly black schools receiving less funding and resources.

    Originally posted by marshallnoise View Post
    the main stream media want to tear down this civilization
    You're right about that, the mainstream media is doing lots to sow division and push a narrative that causes social decay.

    Wonder what the mainest of main stream is....

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoy...in-cable-news/
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  • marshallnoise
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    I am glad to see some people coming out and speaking up against this insanity. I pray more do.

    I am constantly blown away that people cannot appreciate where our society is and what it has created in just the past 50 years. BLM, Antifa and the main stream media want to tear down this civilization that afforded all of us to navel gaze every single day of our lives. This "shithole" society that we have created the machines that allowed me to have robotic surgery at the end of June. 50 years ago, I would be dead from what I went in for. How can you leftists be so fucking ungrateful? It literally makes me sick.

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  • E30 Wagen
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    Originally posted by cale View Post
    What don't you buy, that a zip code alone cannot identify a persons likelihood to experience a significantly worse upbringing than one next door?
    Obviously disparities exist and I'm not going to downplay the legacy of segregation. No, I don't believe that a zip code determines future success. It's the people in that zip code, families with common values living together in safe, supportive communities. You've acknowledged the disproportionate number of black kids growing up without two parents but lay no fault with the men who bolt. I'd be interested to know how many single mothers live in these disparaged zip codes because I strongly believe that broken families are the root cause of the social problems the black community has. The data is there. The question has been posed to you a few times now but you're not answering: how are white people causing black men to abandon their families?

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  • ZeKahr
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    Yes all of the United States’s major left-wing coastal cities are quickly turning into shitholes. NYC, which I live near, was starting already to look like a dump before this whole pandemic broke out with all the trash and homeless people. Now violent crime is spiking up and regressing NYC back into the 1970s. The more inward southern and midwestern cities, barring some exceptions like Minneapolis and Chicago, look more or less okay, but I wouldnm’t be surprised if they resemble NYC/Seattle/SF/LA 10-15 years from now given that Americans (including trump supporters) are starting to embrace left-wing policies.

    The US in general is starting to look more like a second-world nation as the years go by and this pandemic and the BLM crap is just speeding up that process.
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  • MrBurgundy
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    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention my experience at CHOP, or what was left of it by the time I got there on the 1st of July.

    Obviously, it was dismantled that morning, but when I went there at dusk it was pretty much what I expected.. Which was every business boarded up and tagged to holy hell. There were a few people camping at super small grassy areas talking about what went down that day and how they're upset.

    Residents where apparently handing out waters, flowers and showing other forms of kind gestures to the police and community members who helped take back and clean up the mess.

    It looked like, if you're from LA, the homeless belt that separated the Arts District from Downtown. Total shit hole

    Capitol Hill was a nice hip spot before and now it looks like a barren wasteland. What a shame.

    Those of you who were advocating that it wasn't like how it was described on TV, or at least when you said FOX new's version was far from the truth, you are wrong, very wrong It was pretty close to that judging by what was left and all the killings and other violent crimes that took place there.

    My friends place was so close that they were hearing all the gunshots. When I went out to a few bars in West Seattle, it was pretty much unanimously frowned upon and everyone is happy it's gone, except the retards that started it and thought they were actually doing something significant lol.

    I wonder if durkam is going to take care of their vegetables...

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  • cale
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    Originally posted by E30 Wagen View Post
    Please, educate us.
    Sure

    Originally posted by E30 Wagen View Post
    I don't buy the zip code claim at all.
    What don't you buy, that a zip code alone cannot identify a persons likelihood to experience a significantly worse upbringing than one next door?

    Consider Washington, D.C. The difference in life expectancy between our national capital’s longest-lived zip code, 20088, and its shortest, 20020, is a staggering 32.9 years. Yet the physical distance from tony Friendship Heights to hard-pressed Barry Farm is less than 10 miles. This disparity shows how health is profoundly shaped by our environment: the air we breathe, the food we eat, the services we have access to, the opportunities afforded to us.
    https://fortune.com/2020/07/08/healt...fe-expectancy/

    How about something as basic as access to food?

    But 60-plus years of corporate strategies, white flight and stereotypes about black Americans have made it significantly harder for many black people to access a supermarket than it is for most white people, according to leaders of big cities across the country as well as food policy advocates, historians and urban studies experts.
    Supermarkets have chased white, suburban customers at the expense of black communities in urban areas, these experts say. Some have described large grocers' avoidance of predominately black areas as "supermarket redlining," evoking post-New Deal federal policies designed to prevent black home ownership in white neighborhoods and promote segregation.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/busin...ity/index.html

    But hey, it's total coincidence that these are black communities most affected. It's definitely also a coincidence that these sorts of issues are prevalent in cities like Baltimore where housing discrimination was both rampant then and still exists today. A well documented history of being handed shit, and then someone has the audacity to tell a kid who never had a proper upbringing that they should just know how to behave. Right.

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  • E30 Wagen
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    Originally posted by cale View Post

    If this is your response as some sort of insult, pretty easy to deduce which person you're used to being.
    You mean that only someone who can relate to being the smartest one in the room is able to read what kind of person you are? Yeah.

    hmm my response was actually kind of lame, but seriously, give me more. I know how you must feel posting here because you obviously are smart and that makes you above us all. We're all just greasy gearheads who couldn't possibly understand complex social systems, right? Please, educate us.
    Last edited by E30 Wagen; 07-09-2020, 07:08 PM.

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  • cale
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    Originally posted by E30 Wagen View Post
    probably used to being the smartest one in the room
    If this is your response as some sort of insult, pretty easy to deduce which person you're used to being.

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  • E30 Wagen
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLjr6GY1aWw

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  • E30 Wagen
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    Originally posted by cale View Post
    Looking at the outcome and thinking that lets you understand the causes is cute.
    Easy to dismiss and taunt someone from behind a screen. Not hard to imagine you as a spineless twat in person, probably used to being the smartest one in the room, but also the least likable. Shame you're such a condescending dick as I'm generally in agreement with you in the global warming thread.

    Spew a few stereotypes that you think are sticking points
    Okay.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5LWsc-qCdA
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50qXWSfozFI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFgKiz85zaU


    Originally posted by cale
    while ignoring generations of inequality founded on institutionalized racism, literal regulation that said black man =/= white man.
    Uh, did I not acknowledge this?
    There's no denying that black people got fucked hard and long in this country, and frankly the more I think about how much help native americans get (free healthcare and college) I think there is an argument for doing the same for black people. I don't know the whole story of the civil rights movement but it's easy to forget that it wasn't until the 1960s (when my parents were kids) that things started getting better. This madtv skit always gets me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUPypNlign0
    Put yourself in the shoes of a black person reading that article and how can you not get really upset by it? It's blatantly racist shit like that which blocked the economic advancement of black people in this country and arguably deserves them some form of recompense.
    Originally posted by cale
    You're grossly ignorant to history.
    America's history of slavery and civil rights is a subject we learn about starting in elementary and is revisited many times until the last history classes I took in college. I'm no expert on every egregious act but I'm acutely aware of social strife topics and am no less qualified than you to have an opinion, so how about you actually address the points I made in my posts instead of simply attacking me. But if that's what you want to do then I'll just keep giving it right back.

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  • MrBurgundy
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    In the 60s black kids were were experiencing single parent homes at 22% percent... IN THE 60s...

    Then the Great Society Act game into play and that 22% skyrocketed to 70%

    The government funding of broken families created a total shit show...

    The only thing systemic is shitty dem policies that perpetuate these disparities.

    Then dems say you need more government to fix your problems. LOL

    God, some of you guys are claiming others are ignorant to history while you yourself are.... ignorant to history...

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  • cale
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    Originally posted by E30 Wagen View Post
    Oops, how did I overlook this post? Anyway, you need to elaborate on what this "system" is that continues to enable black men abandoning their baby mamas. We can all agree that black kids growing up without two parents is a major social problem, but then you're saying it's white people's fault? Um, bullshit. When white men abandon their baby mamas you get the same result, so who's to blame there?
    Looking at the outcome and thinking that lets you understand the causes is cute. Spew a few stereotypes that you think are sticking points while ignoring generations of inequality founded on institutionalized racism, literal regulation that said black man =/= white man.

    You're grossly ignorant to history.

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  • E30 Wagen
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    Originally posted by ZeKahr View Post
    Wow these people are really getting upset over racism that happened 70+ years ago? No wonder LA (along with the rest of SoCal) is rapidly turning into a shithole. These people have zero problem solving ability and instead want to throw emotional tantrums over something that happened DECADES ago.
    Put yourself in the shoes of a black person reading that article and how can you not get really upset by it? It's blatantly racist shit like that which blocked the economic advancement of black people in this country and arguably deserves them some form of recompense. The problem is that it feels like too much time has passed since then for our current generation to pay for it, and that, at least in my opinion, many of the social problems they have today are not the fault of white people at all.

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  • ZeKahr
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    Originally posted by E30 Wagen View Post
    So, what are white people supposed to do about the problems in the black community - single motherhood, kids blowing off education, and violent crime? I see all those problems as the result of junk values. Asian Americans and other immigrants don't have those problems. And then when I see black people burning shit down, looting TVs and sneakers, and making music that glorifies fucking, weed, and being a hoodrich gangsta... yeah, fuck off with that. Seriously, what am I supposed to think?!
    THIS. My best friend, who is black, grew up in a solid middle class family in a quiet middle class neighborhood, with both parents present. And even then my friend and his younger brother glorify the "hood n***a" lifestyle. My friend literally goes to the shithole cities in my state to buy drugs and tries to downplay how bad they are. His younger brother got involved in peddling drugs during high school and at one point tried stealing his dad's gun (and got a well deserved ass whoppin). It's the culture and societal programming (especially among the youth) that creates these problems.

    This disparity between blacks and Asian culture isn't just present in America, but worldwide. Post WWII, Southeast Asia and Africa were both shitholes that had been plundered by the Europeans for decades. What have the Southeast Asians done over the past 60-70 years? They worked very hard to rebuild their civilizations to a point that some parts of Southeast Asia are now starting to surpass America and Europe in economic opportunities, freedom, and living standards! What have the Africans done? Create corrupt ineffective governments, fight with each other, steal each other's resources, and allow themselves to wallow in shitholedom (sound familiar?). The Southeast Asians want success bad, the Africans don't. The Africans literally need countries like China to show them how it do.

    Originally posted by phillipj
    I am relatively new to Los Angeles after relocating for work a couple years ago; I work in Architecture & Building but in the past have also worked in Urban Planning. I've only recently been learning about the history and planning of the freeways here in LA -- and they are in many ways enormous monuments to racism. And when you really start to research highway building in this country, L.A. is in no way alone in this regard. Attaching an interesting summary for you:

    L.A. freeways are the most racist California monuments - Los Angeles Times
    https://www.latimes.com
    Spewing carbon monoxide across L.A. on the freeway system feeds into a pot of racism and segregation that’s been stewing for nearly a century.
    Wow these people are really getting upset over racism that happened 70+ years ago? No wonder LA (along with the rest of SoCal) is rapidly turning into a shithole. These people have zero problem solving ability and instead want to throw emotional tantrums over something that happened DECADES ago.

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  • E30 Wagen
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    Originally posted by cale View Post
    Imagine being privileged enough to spout off the amazing opportunities 4g LTE provides when the kids in question grow up in broken homes and don't even have two parents around to teach them how to behave as responsible citizens. The statistic for 2015 is 77% of black children are born to unwed mothers, and only 38% of black kids grow up with both parents, half that of white kids. Never mind the statistics of kids in metropolitan areas who are even more heavily hit by the shitty end of the disparity stick.

    But sure, "THEY" just don't want to make changes, they're just lazy. If you're naive enough to think everyone develops the same critical thinking skills and ability to make rational decisions despite glaring differences in influences growing up, you're probably not cut out to meaningfully contribute to this conversation.
    Oops, how did I overlook this post? Anyway, you need to elaborate on what this "system" is that continues to enable black men abandoning their baby mamas. We can all agree that black kids growing up without two parents is a major social problem, but then you're saying it's white people's fault? Um, bullshit. When white men abandon their baby mamas you get the same result, so who's to blame there?

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