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  • mrsleeve
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    something else I meant to say, about the above graph, the right, in the US has remained pretty consistent in its platform, and as the graph indicates that left on the other hand has began a hard charge to pander to the loud vocal minority making the most noise on their side of the ideological isle, leaving many of the more middle ground people behind with little options to represent their views.

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  • MrBurgundy
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    ^ I'll echo that too...

    People more or less want the same thing, but either end of the spectrum is sensationalized which leads people to believe that whole side leans that far.

    The division is curated on both sides of the isle without a doubt. I will say tho it's much more apparent on the left..

    I'm more conservative leaning and that word holds a lot of weight where I live. People have most definitely construed that with all the horrible things that people are lead to believe about anyone that leans that way.

    I think it's so far gone here in the LA area, that most people being liberal, I don't even bother to engage in any kind of conversation that is even remotely political. That's also a double edged sword- I find myself only having those conversations with people who I know won't judge my character negatively based on my beliefs/political affiliation which sucks.. It's basically a stroke fest with no real conversation.

    10 or so years ago, no one really gave a shit about what you thought and neither end of the political spectrum really encompassed those extreme far leaning individuals. Today they seem to be the face of either side...

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  • mrsleeve
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    this may be a little bit dated but it illustrates what you guys are trying to say a little better. Those of you that know me know my disdain for the NY Times, but I thought this was pretty good. The "Median party" line in the screen cap below is that of the politics of Europe.

    Full article is here https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...far-right.html


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  • ForcedFirebird
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    Originally posted by packratbimmer View Post

    What extreme Left means: Proponent of unchecked change... What extreme Right means: Extreme entity
    resistant to change...
    That's calling it black and white, when politics have a huge spectrum.

    Sounds more grammatically you are comparing liberal and conservative. After all, extreme-gauche is a term for socialist. Radical right can mean anything from the 50's "responsible right", or it could be racists/nativism, up to conspiracism, or a mixture of any of it.

    roguetoaster said it well. They are just labels the current elites are using to divide us peasants. I bet most people are near the middle with a little swaying right/left based on personal beliefs/morals. Most of us don't like to see poverty/death/destruction towards fellow man, but you will have those extremes on both sides of the coin.

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  • roguetoaster
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    Originally posted by packratbimmer View Post

    What extreme Left means: Proponent of unchecked change... What extreme Right means: Extreme entity
    resistant to change...
    I don't think either have real meaning, but they are effective tools to further divide people in to factions.

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  • packratbimmer
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    Originally posted by ForcedFirebird View Post

    Spot on. The only way this will change is term limits - but alas, the people who vote on term limits are the politicians themselves - and with power-hungry career politicians, it will never happen.
    What extreme Left means: Proponent of unchecked change... What extreme Right means: Extreme entity
    resistant to change...

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  • roguetoaster
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    Originally posted by phillipj View Post

    Seriously. Who are you to tell me to gtfo of an internet forum? I never mentioned that idiot's name. Everything is so expensive now because it is manipulated that way.

    Fed massive QE + unchecked PPP 'loans' + fraud + wall street and large market movers and companies taking advantage of the situation and the oil market and then, now, the war in Ukraine has made inflation what it is.
    We can also blame consumers to a degree since we are supposed to restrain spending when we feel some type of crunch or we feel pricing becomes unfavorable. While we can't make large changes on a dime, such as replacing an inefficient vehicle with a FE one, we can switch our buying habits to secondary product lines or simply do without convenience items, but we have had a very hard time with that historically.

    OTOH, vendors are supposed to lower prices when buying decreases, and since buying does not decrease as it should, or does so only slightly, they probably feel like they can or must maximize profit by raising prices to compensate for slightly lower total sales volume for whatever reason they pulled out of a hat today without being called out on it.

    We'll probably also look back at interest rates being too low for too long as a major culprit, but I also hope we don't look back and see the large rate changes this year as damaging in the back half of 2022 or beyond.

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  • phillipj
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    Originally posted by MrBurgundy View Post

    lmao

    Still gotta blame Trump for something right? lmao

    ...the response to the pandemic in 2019... get the fuck out of here, man.

    Everyone is getting priced gouged.. the housing marked is fucked because of Wall street and oil companies are fucking us at the pump and bringing in 300% profits this year? They've profited like 35 billion dollars in their first quarter in 2022...

    Everything is so much more expensive now, but it's not because of inflation.
    Seriously. Who are you to tell me to gtfo of an internet forum? I never mentioned that idiot's name. Everything is so expensive now because it is manipulated that way.

    Fed massive QE + unchecked PPP 'loans' + fraud + wall street and large market movers and companies taking advantage of the situation and the oil market and then, now, the war in Ukraine has made inflation what it is.

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  • ForcedFirebird
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    Originally posted by roguetoaster View Post
    Right and left are just stupid labels we use to conveniently put others in a box labeled either friend or enemy. They mean nothing, and everyone is all over the map on policy.

    The main change went from the political thought of, hey I disagree but maybe we can compromise to, hey you are the spawn of satan and you must die because you disagree with my opinion. This seems to have become fully entrenched in the early 1990s. Now we have added the facts don't matter mentality to that since the mid 2000s and we find ourselves completely unable to work together based on a label.

    How do we fix that? IDK, probably start a global war or something.
    Spot on. The only way this will change is term limits - but alas, the people who vote on term limits are the politicians themselves - and with power-hungry career politicians, it will never happen.

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  • roguetoaster
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    Right and left are just stupid labels we use to conveniently put others in a box labeled either friend or enemy. They mean nothing, and everyone is all over the map on policy.

    The main change went from the political thought of, hey I disagree but maybe we can compromise to, hey you are the spawn of satan and you must die because you disagree with my opinion. This seems to have become fully entrenched in the early 1990s. Now we have added the facts don't matter mentality to that since the mid 2000s and we find ourselves completely unable to work together based on a label.

    How do we fix that? IDK, probably start a global war or something.

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  • ForcedFirebird
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    Almost like we are living somewhere between Orwell 1984 the Calhoun's Experiment.

    Worst part is, history repeats itself, and everyone is too busy to watch the patterns. The economy is very much 1984-ish. Most of the genpop can't see past the previous/past 2yr, nevermind watching generational cycles.

    Either way, we have politicians that have been in office for 30-40-50 years. There's no one to blame? No one set of policies? Just look at who controlled the government over the past 70yrs. It's in plain sight, factual statistics that are at anyone's phone.

    Reagan always a liberal, see why he switched parties. When the left moves too far left,the centers become right.

    Just like this "pandemic". I'm not saying it didn't hurt and/or kill people, but anytime I hear about comparisons to 1918, I just remember that the population in the US actually DROPPED in 1918-1921, while 100yrs later the population growth has not changed in the last several years.

    Personally, I feel I have always been very central. Now, many people call me extreme right? It's crazy times.

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  • roguetoaster
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    ^
    Well, those board members are important, and the end user has no other choice than to buy our product, so, yeah, eat it consumers.

    OTOH, the consumers are really dumb, won't make changes rapidly, and can't generally figure how they fit in, so I guess they're just asking to be boned.

    It's basically a perfect self predating system with consumers fighting themselves for products, and too lazy to research other than familiar products. But one day the base of the pyramid will get too weak to support the bulk above, then, boom, dystopian corporate sci-fi future.

    On a brighter note we'll get to actively destroy corps, but only at the behest of our chosen, somehow better, corp.

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  • MrBurgundy
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    Originally posted by phillipj View Post

    Certainly +1.

    So many things leading up to the inflation & the markets we see now-- the recent ones are most especially the Fed, that out of control money printing machine, the response at the onset of the pandemic -- which was December 2019. War in Ukraine exacerbates it a bit. Mr. Sleeve this is just a continuation.

    lmao

    Still gotta blame Trump for something right? lmao

    ...the response to the pandemic in 2019... get the fuck out of here, man.

    Everyone is getting priced gouged.. the housing marked is fucked because of Wall street and oil companies are fucking us at the pump and bringing in 300% profits this year? They've profited like 35 billion dollars in their first quarter in 2022...

    Everything is so much more expensive now, but it's not because of inflation.

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  • phillipj
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    Originally posted by roguetoaster View Post

    ... Today is built on years/decades of policy in the past, and no one is free of blame for failures or can take sole credit for any type of recovery. ...
    Certainly +1.

    So many things leading up to the inflation & the markets we see now-- the recent ones are most especially the Fed, that out of control money printing machine, the response at the onset of the pandemic -- which was December 2019. War in Ukraine exacerbates it a bit. Mr. Sleeve this is just a continuation.


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  • MrBurgundy
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    Originally posted by nando View Post
    Also I wish Elon Musk would shut his freaking mouth and just run his companies. But I digress..
    lol

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