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    #31
    Originally posted by 2mAn View Post
    I was actually agreeing with your first post ... Maybe calm down for a second , everyone is so hostile in here...

    the article is showing how they are slowing decreasing their bond holdings and putting their money in gold.
    My apologies, I misinterpreted why you were bringing.up the Chinese debt holdings.
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      #32
      Agree with varg's post.

      There is no reason for the US to become involved in Iran. Or any where else over there.

      I really feel for the women in Iran because they are totally fucked over but the brainwashing mental virus has totally taken hold and there is no way a US war will solve anything. It's a big world and if a group of people want to create a country where half the people are basically slaves I guess it's their right. Seems like an awesome place though and I'd love to have traveled Persia by motorcycle in the 60s.

      They want all of us to die and blame all their problems on us in a giant psychological projection in order to justify the conditions in which they live.

      Why don't we just fuck off from the middle east in general?

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        #33
        Originally posted by z31maniac View Post
        My apologies, I misinterpreted why you were bringing.up the Chinese debt holdings.

        All good, it was a bit tongue in cheek the way I replied so thatís hard to understand in this format.


        Originally posted by coldweatherblue View Post
        Agree with varg's post.



        There is no reason for the US to become involved in Iran. Or any where else over there.



        Why don't we just fuck off from the middle east in general?


        I deleted a lot of your assumptions about what itís like in Iran and what they think of us. I suggest watching Anthony Bourdain in Iran to get a better idea of what itís actually like there.

        As to why we canít leave them alone? Simple. Oil.
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          #34
          Originally posted by coldweatherblue View Post
          I really feel for the women in Iran because they are totally fucked over but the brainwashing mental virus has totally taken hold and there is no way a US war will solve anything. It's a big world and if a group of people want to create a country where half the people are basically slaves I guess it's their right.

          They want all of us to die and blame all their problems on us in a giant psychological projection in order to justify the conditions in which they live.
          Lol. I would consult facts if I was you.

          Granted it isnít perfect, women have 1000x more rights in Iran than they do in Saudi Arabia. Women can drive, hold office, vote, etc. Iranís deputy Vice President is a woman.

          And yes, agree with Simon in that you should watch Bourdainís Iran episode (or any other show that travels to Iran if you want to better understand Iraniansí outlook on Americans/the US. If youíre referencing the age old ďdeath to America/Israel/etcĒ chant shouted my Iranís equivalent of trumpies (less-educated, disenfranchised demographic) then you need to understand it isnít meant to be taken literally.

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            #35
            I consulted the facts on LGBT and women's rights in Iran and am surprised to see the r3v support, since this is typically a more progressive place.

            More power to ya, cause it's America and you're free to dissent.

            Regardless, I still hope we don't go to war.

            Also learn to recognize hyperbole..

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              #36
              Originally posted by coldweatherblue View Post
              I consulted the facts on LGBT and women's rights in Iran and am surprised to see the r3v support, since this is typically a more progressive place.

              More power to ya, cause it's America and you're free to dissent.

              Regardless, I still hope we don't go to war.

              Also learn to recognize hyperbole..
              I support LGBT rights to the fullest and also acknowledge sanctioned homophobia in Iran, and more broadly in the Middle East, Africa and Asia.

              I think some of us are looking at this through the comparative lens and at the Trump admin’s motives here. Saudi Arabia, UAE and every single other country in the Middle East (sans israel) criminalize all things LGBT. Yet, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf Arab states are our “closest” allies in the region (and in many cases the world).

              The US is stoking war with Iran only to appease Saudi and Israeli interests.

              Random fact: the Iranian government supports/pays for M-F/F-M transitions for trans Iranians seeking reassignment. Yes I know this is a far cry from providinG LGBT rights and their gov has an incredibly long way to go but this (at a very minimum) is a far cry from LGBT rights in Saudi Arabia and our other dear sweetheart ally states.

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                #37
                Bump. Our country creates more terrorists than we kill.
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                  #38
                  ^ Yup $1.5 billion in unmarked cash to the largest sponsor of terror will do that.

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                    #39
                    I thought the Saudi were giving US money, not them? lol
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                      #40
                      I think he's talking about when the US gave them their money back.

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                        #41
                        so you think Iran is worse than Saudi Arabia?
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by 2mAn View Post
                          so you think Iran is worse than Saudi Arabia?
                          If you want to go down that path, we have to come up with objective categories and scores.

                          Or they are both ME countries that support terror.
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                            #43
                            ^^ While the Media focus for three years of Trump has centered around “Russia collusion” the most dangerous collusion of all happens right out in the open: It's Trump + The Saudis + Israel driving war with Iran

                            https://theintercept.com/2020/01/03/...istration-war/
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                              #44
                              Originally posted by z31maniac View Post

                              If you want to go down that path, we have to come up with objective categories and scores.

                              Or they are both ME countries that support terror.
                              September 11 task force - Saudis
                              Al Q'aeda financial support - Saudis
                              Al Nosra financial support - Saudis
                              ISIS financial and ideological support - Saudis
                              Jamal Kashoggi assassination and dismembering - Saudis
                              Financing of mosques around the world glorifying the Wahabit Sunni doctrine - Saudis

                              BTW The reason for killing a general from Iran is because one US contractor was killed a month ago... What about those three U.S. Naval airmen who got killed on a US base on US soil by a Saudi a few weeks ago? Which Saudi official will Trump have killed in retaliation?

                              https://abcnews.go.com/US/fatal-shoo...ry?id=67597032

                              "Then on Friday, Mohammed Alshamrani, 21, a Saudi national and second lieutenant in his country's air force, who was in the United States for flight training, opened fire in a classroom at the Pensacola base, killing three U.S. Naval airmen with a handgun authorities say he purchased legally."
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                                #45
                                The US is just after Iran's oil and wants to destabilize them just like they did in Iraq and pretty much everywhere they can not named Saudi Arabia...

                                Also, its in the two-term president playbook to start a "war" just as they enter the election year for their second term. check the two previous presidents for easy evidence
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