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  • TeXJ
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    Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
    So whats everyone's take on the goings on that is occurring in VA ????
    Glad everyone showed up to protest. The citizens should have voted so as to not have to go through this. And not voted for a democrat. Both parties suck, both parties vote down party line. And for now, the democrats are the ones that are voting against the 2A.

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  • mrsleeve
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    So whats everyone's take on the goings on that is occurring in VA ????

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  • The Dark Side of Will
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    "Democracy" is always the oppression of the 49% by the 51%.

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  • phillipj
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    Things really aren't really only red or blue. True representation isn't calculated by acreage. Those colors on that map don't tell the story when it comes down to the actual real, breathing vast numbers of people supporting specific issues. If every vote was counted equally you'd see a lot of purple.

    What I contend, is that -- may seem 'crazy' to you-- but someone like a Bernie actually aligns with the wants of the majority population, on most every issue, and, specific to this thread, the greater gun issue (which he's considered more moderate on).

    Our country is not at all accurately represented, per the actual people. Oligarchy & gerrymandering is giving us minority rule.
    Last edited by phillipj; 01-08-2020, 11:26 AM.

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  • mrsleeve
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    Ol Bern is not a centrist, he is very left of scale as are most of the current crop of contenders for the D nomination. Just because the news says hes a centrist does not make it so.....



    Yes there is a 50% Plus majority of the US that support far leftist ideals as evidenced by this map

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  • phillipj
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    Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post

    Well Could it be the fact that in the last 30 years VT has flipped to be become staunchly blue with 60-70% of the population in VT yanking on the D lever in the voteing booth, and only about 28% of the population own firearms..... HMMMMM Coincidence


    Disclaimer...... Yes I know Ol Bern is an "independent" but he rolls with the crazy faction of the D's and has since day one. Or more accurately the more recent additions to the crazy far left D's have more aligned themselves with Bern, but keeping the the D after their name, as to be able to be electable in a more main stream and populace states.....
    Crazy faction of the D's(?) I don't really follow. What does 'crazy' mean? I think his beliefs actually reflect the majority of the country if you want to look into it.

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  • CarpHunter
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    Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post

    Well Could it be the fact that in the last 30 years VT has flipped to be become staunchly blue with 60-70% of the population in VT yanking on the D lever in the voteing booth, and only about 28% of the population own firearms..... HMMMMM Coincidence


    Disclaimer...... Yes I know Ol Bern is an "independent" but he rolls with the crazy faction of the D's and has since day one. Or more accurately the more recent additions to the crazy far left D's have more aligned themselves with Bern, but keeping the the D after their name, as to be able to be electable in a more main stream and populace states.....
    On the first point. Democrats like guns too you know. Your ignoring things like the decline of hunting, and drops in violent crime as factors for gun ownership. It's lazy opinion making. Ignoring things that don't support your preconceived opinion.

    On the second, only in today's america would Bernie Sanders be considered far left. He's a centrist, about as in the middle as you can get. It's just the right as a whole has moved so far to the right that the center seems a mile away. And thus extreme.

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  • mrsleeve
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    Originally posted by phillipj View Post
    I will say a lot of gun owners sure vote strong for Bernie in his own state of Vermont. I wonder why? Bernie on Gun Policy
    Well Could it be the fact that in the last 30 years VT has flipped to be become staunchly blue with 60-70% of the population in VT yanking on the D lever in the voteing booth, and only about 28% of the population own firearms..... HMMMMM Coincidence


    Disclaimer...... Yes I know Ol Bern is an "independent" but he rolls with the crazy faction of the D's and has since day one. Or more accurately the more recent additions to the crazy far left D's have more aligned themselves with Bern, but keeping the the D after their name, as to be able to be electable in a more main stream and populace states.....

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  • myinfernalbmw
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    Originally posted by phillipj View Post

    I will say a lot of gun owners sure vote strong for Bernie in his own state of Vermont. I wonder why? Bernie on Gun Policy
    Which amazes me as better than half of his stance (while exponentially more reasonable than Francis' approach) is still completely out of touch. When people still try to peddle the gun show loophole, 10 rounds to kill a deeeah, or durr durr durr muskets talking points, they've already lost. While it might appeal to people who are already deathly afraid of guns, and maybe a few of the "I support the 2nd Amendment, but..." LL Bean fudds have grandpa's double barrel hidden away in the closet, anyone with half a mind of their own can see past the pandering. At least he's addressing the idea of mental health being an underlying issue.

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  • phillipj
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    Originally posted by z31maniac View Post

    The guy with multiple arrests on his record? He's a has been.

    Even though Biden has plenty of racist statements/stances in his past, it will be Biden V Trump, and if the Dems continue to go full R on their issues, we are unfortunately going to end up with another 4 years of Orange Man.
    Oh God- any money it very much won't be Biden vs. Trump; Biden is a goner. I will say a lot of gun owners sure vote strong for Bernie in his own state of Vermont. I wonder why? Bernie on Gun Policy

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  • roguetoaster
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    Point one addressed candidates, not yet nominated, so their actual opinions are fairly pointless until they have power.

    On the second point, not sure how gender politics really relates to firearms, but I suppose you are just grinding some other axe.

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  • marshallnoise
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    Originally posted by roguetoaster View Post

    It really does not matter what someone says or even what they think at this stage, it's only what items will be realistically actionable during the next administration/Congress no matter who is in.

    In any case, Pandora's box has already been opened for so long and to such a degree it doesn't seem likely that we can legislate our way out of this issue. However, I suspect that it will just naturally resolve itself over a multi-generational time scale as fewer and fewer young people are exposed to firearms, and so they naturally lose interest, the lobby loses power, the industry fades, and in whatever amount of time the country is pretty much disarmed. Don't believe that? Just look at how cars are regarded today.
    Regarding the former: Actually no, its not that simple. Executive orders have made the executive branch a legislator too. Its not good but its what is.

    Regarding the latter: I am not convinced guns will suffer that fate. Unless this transgender/gender identity crap continues and THAT becomes legislated, boys will still be boys and we will always play "Cowboys and First Nations People."

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  • roguetoaster
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    Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post

    Bob is the only stupid enough to say out loud and proud what all the rest on that stage wet dream about when it come to 2a issues. They in general agree 100% with those things.
    It really does not matter what someone says or even what they think at this stage, it's only what items will be realistically actionable during the next administration/Congress no matter who is in.

    In any case, Pandora's box has already been opened for so long and to such a degree it doesn't seem likely that we can legislate our way out of this issue. However, I suspect that it will just naturally resolve itself over a multi-generational time scale as fewer and fewer young people are exposed to firearms, and so they naturally lose interest, the lobby loses power, the industry fades, and in whatever amount of time the country is pretty much disarmed. Don't believe that? Just look at how cars are regarded today.

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  • z31maniac
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    Originally posted by marshallnoise View Post
    So now that master Beto O'Rourke actually declared that he wants to take our guns unequivocally, what say you "reasonable restrictions" folks?
    The guy with multiple arrests on his record? He's a has been.

    Even though Biden has plenty of racist statements/stances in his past, it will be Biden V Trump, and if the Dems continue to go full R on their issues, we are unfortunately going to end up with another 4 years of Orange Man.

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  • mrsleeve
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    Originally posted by roguetoaster View Post

    A candidate on the verge of being an also ran, not-even-a-VP-contender says no more guns for you baddies. Oh noes, danger.
    Bob is the only stupid enough to say out loud and proud what all the rest on that stage wet dream about when it come to 2a issues. They in general agree 100% with those things.

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