OK Gun enthusiasts, I want an actual answer

[naplesE30]

Fixed the thread title to more properly reflect posters intent. “ I want an actual answer, that reaffirms my belief”

Gun laws do nothing to stop those who are already intent on breaking them. No more complicated than that really. Funny how in a lot of cases, not all to be sure, the same people who believe restrictive gun laws will be effective, argue how ineffective drug laws are and should be loosened.

The victim hood mentality is at core of these sick individuals. Many of them feel society is to blame for their misery. They feel they are victims not of their own doing and blame and hate everyone as a result. We as a whole have been brainwashed into blaming everything in society other than the truth. I mean hell were blamming guns for actions of individuals. Who blames an in-adamant object for the action of a sick individual. These young men have grown up in a society that is afraid to speak and seek the truth.

[R3Z3N]

nando, background checks (special license) have failed to suppress any shooting that has happened. That is as close as one can ever get to stop these atrocities from a lawful standpoint. As stated, take away the guns for a dreamy minute, tools are still out there. The government rarely is the one to suppress any such actions, especially when the person has not been involved with the courts before. First accept that, and realize that no law will reduce this.

The Dayton killer was involved with Antifa, but the media suppresses that info. An organization that by action actually supports fascist methodology: suppressing speech and ideals through violence.

[myinfernalbmw]

Yes, you can buy them - but you can't use it without a special license. You can't get one at Walmart on your way to shoot up people at school.

Nothing prevents you from buying tanks on your way to school other than the zeros in your bank account. Are you suggesting that shooters should be required to get special licenses to shoot up a school?

[nando]

you can buy and use tanks, a german leopard costs about a 1/4 mil.

Yes, you can buy them - but you can't use it without a special license. You can't get one at Walmart on your way to shoot up people at school.

[myinfernalbmw]

I found a picture of his truck. Bro.

Broooooo!

Carp is your cousin isn't he? Sometimes as family I feel the need to white knight for him too.

I assume mods can see the same green comments that have been flagged by our new overzealous spam filter that users can?

[R3Z3N]

I am Australian and I can tell you from the perspective of a country who has gone through this, it doesn't work. People who want to kill people will always find a way. Plus you have several hundred million more guns than we did, and they won't all suddenly disappear if the big man signs the bit of paper.

There are other issues afoot as to why people are being driven to the point of wanting to murder as many as they can.

Agreed. Your buy back was also a failure as to the ratio of guns turned in.

Point: even our founding fathers agreed the world would be a better place without guns, but until the last one is destroyed, and the KNOWLEDGE AND ABILITY to forge another disappears, criminals will always skirt the law, as will law abididing citizens that wish to follow the law, but are only felonized by their fellow neighbors and politicians.

[econti]

I am Australian and I can tell you from the perspective of a country who has gone through this, it doesn't work. People who want to kill people will always find a way. Plus you have several hundred million more guns than we did, and they won't all suddenly disappear if the big man signs the bit of paper.

There are other issues afoot as to why people are being driven to the point of wanting to murder as many as they can.

[hkv]

Should you be able to own and use a rocket launcher? how about a tank?

you can buy and use tanks, a german leopard costs about a 1/4 mil.

[R3Z3N]

Z31, anyway, heres a thought. The right to defend yourself with ANY tool was considered a God Given right. About a decade later, that right was enshrined in the 2A.

I find that many that don't understand this also desire to limit 1A. That moves on to supporting Red Flag laws, which are throughoughly infringing on almost every. single. right. you have as an American citizen. But you scream: My safety! My Feelings!

We don't care as the atypical gun owner. We will die protecting our own, our families, and even YOUR RIGHTs, because we believe freedom is most important, which is what our country was founded upon as we expanded westward without the protection of the government, and many times despite it cough cough trail of tears.

THought 2. All firearms are deadly. Why concentrate on one? Stop masquerading and look at violent deaths. With that, let's cut everyones wrists, far more deaths from those than firearms, that's not even looking outside the states. Don't concentrate on the tool used, concentrate on the heart. This came about moreso than ever in countries with fatherless homes, with the decline or lack of education, and with self-centeredness, and with welfare.

[R3Z3N]

What part of "well regulated militia" is confusing for you?

I didn't realize the retired guy across the street from me was part of a well-regulated militia. Gee what word is related to regulated, is it regulations? No, it couldn't be that. Sorry for think as such.

Ah yes. Historically, the militia was any trained man, not requiring license, that was of voting age, religiously practicing with his tool, and having to carry a MINIMUM of ~21 (depending on state) rounds. This is why one of our California Judges let 1 week of gun owners buy any round count magazine, only shut down because the Left want nothing more but to remove your freedoms in the perception of security and safety.

[R3Z3N]

Theres a big difference between a pellet gun, revolver, handgun, etc and an Assault Rifle with High Capacity magazines...

Define High Capacity, because 10+ it is not.

Standard Capacity for my CZ SP01 is 19. Anything less is handicapped, because the gun was designed to fit 19 in the grip. And no, there is not a big difference between a revolver, handgun and auto or semi auto or bolt action rifle. They all are deadly. More deadly? Less deadly. Who cares, deadly, and that alone is the reason we are afforded them in our country to stop a threat to ones life and liberty, government, dictator, criminal or neighbor. The right precludes the 2nd amendment. 2A only solidified the right as it was already eroding away by an ever growing internal tyranny and power struggle instead of the fight to be representatives of the people.

[nando]

Well bro, no need to be a dick. Wasn't attacking you. But ok.

For starters you state you had to think long and hard about how to build your ar. Which means you were never looking for the best home defense gun, you just wanted an ar and had to come up with bullshit to justify it over a more appropriate or better suited gun. All I stated was that it was a uneducated choice for the task at hand.

As I said, if you want it cause you think it's cool, or more likely in your case, makes your dick feel big, it's cool. Just say that. Don't use a bunch of bullshit to justify it. The only justification you need is I like it, it's legal, I bought one. Simple. And a better reason than the one you gave.

I found a picture of his truck. Bro.

Broooooo!

[LowR3V'in]

i was thinking if cnn/fox focused on certain acts of violence i bet ppl would go crazy on whatever they where focused on.
ppl get killed all the time.
Theres this local gang banger that killed like 4 people and sliced up 20 or something went on a spree with a machete.
if they focused on blade related killings guess what would happen. remember the switch blade ban or that butterfly knife ban?
why do you NEEED a knife longer then 3'', why do you NEED a fast opening pocket knife. give me a break brah.

[LowR3V'in]

Should you be able to own and use a rocket launcher? how about a tank?

price check on 1 tank and 1 rocket launcher with rockets please.


on the original question without commenting on the troll.

nothing. it changed nothing except i wasn't able to go out shooting with cool guns.
i think there is an anti depiction of violence right now on video games pretty lulz

[myinfernalbmw]

Well bro, no need to be a dick. Wasn't attacking you. But ok.

For starters you state you had to think long and hard about how to build your ar. Which means you were never looking for the best home defense gun, you just wanted an ar and had to come up with bullshit to justify it over a more appropriate or better suited gun. All I stated was that it was a uneducated choice for the task at hand.

As I said, if you want it cause you think it's cool, or more likely in your case, makes your dick feel big, it's cool. Just say that. Don't use a bunch of bullshit to justify it. The only justification you need is I like it, it's legal, I bought one. Simple. And a better reason than the one you gave.

Being a dick and then saying not to be a dick is the irony. Someone having to explain it to you doesn't really help either. Or maybe I just misunderstood where you were calling me ignorant without offering any reason as to why, other than a series of biased opinions and no facts.

Learn the definition of irony please. Nothing i posted is ironic.

Irony is the shooting instructor that shoots himself. Or the gun range owner killed by a little girl he just handed an uzi too. Or the gun rights and responsible gun owner shot by her child in the back seat cause she let her loaded and chambered gun fall out of her purse.

edit:

Forgot the ultimate irony here. Whenever you guys use these ar style guns for target practice, hunting, home defense ect., you're using it incorrectly for a purpose it was never designed to do. Yet... when someone mows down a crowd with one, their using it correctly for the exact purpose it was designed for. Huh

This is like dealing with my socially retarded cousin. He won't have an ounce of actual knowledge on a subject, but somehow interjecting his opinion based on seemingly nothing always seems like the right move. The real kicker is that he doesn't bother to try to come up with even a half assed attempt at a coherent thought, but that won't stop him from arguing that he's right.

The M16 wasn't designed to mow down crowds and if I actually have to explain why then there is no point in trying to have a conversation with someone that stupid.

I am going to give you another chance to tell me WHY the AR is not a good choice for home defense and what is a better choice and WHY.