BRZ vs E30

[acolella76]

this thread is useless without videos

If you can restore my damaged HDD I will have video evidence of BRZs being lapped... otherwise I have none.

[BlackbirdM3]

do you illuminate your home with whale oil lamps?

No, I use electricity just like everyone else. Whale oil is hard to find, and stupid expensive. Not to mention its sooty.

I seriously can't see a reason to buy a BRZ. Its got zero collectability, you can't see out of the thing, its loaded with crap that I couldn't care less about (blue tooth, sat nav, ect. Its all driver distractions. The world doesn't need anymore distracted drivers (Yes I know every single new car comes with this crap, and its still crap no matter who makes the car.)

When I buy a car the first thing I look at is future resale value. As in, can I sell it for what I paid for it? If I can't I don't bother looking any closer at the car. 2nd, Can I see out the back of the car so I can back into a parking spot, or see the little kid standing behind me as I start to back up, while looking over my shoulder. If I can't, I don't buy the car. (That rules out 100% of the new cars on the market today. Epic design fail.) 3, is it a pure drivers car with no distractions? If the distractions can't be removed or disabled, I'm not buying the car. No I don't consider a stereo a distraction. I do consider GPS, bluetooth ect a distraction. No, I do not talk on the phone while driving ever. The phone is usually turned off. 4. Is the car designed to last at least 25 years? If not, its not worth buying. Again, this rules out 100% of the new cars on the market today. 5. Can I work on it without the need for a computer to tell me whats wrong? If no, I'm not buying the car. Again, rules out 100% of the new cars on the market. 6. Will the car outperform the car I already have everywhere? No? I'm not buying the car. (Granted, a car with 400 hp will out run my current cars in a straight line. How about through a corner? No? No purpose buying the car. I don't give a rats ass about straight line speed. Anyone can go fast in a straight line. Still, If I can lay the smack down on a Porsche GT3, let alone every singe one at an autoX with a 45 year old 2L street driven Datsun, I fail to see the point in buying the Porsche. The M3 will likely hold its own in the same scenario as well.)

Guess what? A BRZ fails on every point (as does every new car on the market that I can think of). I fail to see the reason to buy one other than the allure of it being a new car. An e30 provides me with all the creature comforts I could ever want, I can see out of the thing, in the case of the M3, I can sell it for more than I paid for it. I can work on it, its a great car to drive. I can't ask for anything more. Sure it sucks in stop and go traffic, but what manual transmission car doesn't? Its perfectly happy on the freeway, gets good fuel economy, its fast enough on the street, and it will show its tail lights to many cars on the track and on an autoX course.

Sorry, I fail to see why I would want a BRZ.

Will

[87e30]

do you illuminate your home with whale oil lamps?

hahaha gold

[robgoesvroom]

this thread is useless without videos

[robgoesvroom]

what's going on in this thread

[mr2peak]

Anyone on here want to trade their BRZ or FT86 for my M50 E30?

[evandael]

blahblablah

Will

do you illuminate your home with whale oil lamps?

[e30construction]

if im buying a subaru itll be an sti

[robgoesvroom]

I'll be at thill april 27 sat in my white e30. M20 powered lol

I was trying to register but it's all full =[

[joonsup]

I'll be at thill april 27 sat in my white e30. M20 powered lol

[robgoesvroom]

BRZ v S2000 for your entertainment!

[Wild Ride]

I would like to see videos of a stroked M20/S50/S52 powered E30 chasing an S2000. Who has one of these?

No video but my 190whp m20 stroker pulled on one climbing out of the bottom of 3rd gear uphill from 30-50 and then dead even from 50-100

The brz/frs is all the buzz of the moment but the s2k I consider to be the better drivers car between the two and it's 10 years old. It was also 8k more expensive.

It's kind of ironic that Toyota now has a sports car and Honda does not.

[robgoesvroom]

what lap times are you street car guys running compared to specE30s?

http://spece30.com/spece30-records-mainmenu-70

[acolella76]

The most recent track day I was at I drove my stock E30 (aside from the blown JOMs and year old r-comps) and ended up lapping the BRZs. It could have been a difference in the drivers but something tells me it is more than that.

Also yes, the struts and suspension geometry between the two cars is the same aside from the BRZ having higher spring rates in the front whereas the Toyota/Scion has a stiffer rear end to make it more tail happy.

[knuklehead92]

The BRZ really is on par with an E30 M3, except it [BRZ] should have better rear suspension geometry for more overall grip and stability.

brz and e30 m3? close

brz is exactly the same as the frs mechanical and suspension wise as well except one difference, everything else is the same. except cosmetics and brz is supposedly heavier.. since classified as the premium car

Car: Front OE Spring Rate:
Subaru BRZ 27 N/mm (153 lbs/in)
Scion FR-S 23 N/mm (131 lbs/in)

Rear OE Spring Rate:
Subaru BRZ 34 N/mm (195 lbs/in)
Scion FR-S 37 N/mm (211 lbs/in)