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Originally posted by djjerme View PostIs that on M20?
Last 14hr race we did on my car, M20 stock except for cam/injectors/chip, was getting 1:30 per stint at the Ridge. And while we could only dump 10 gallons (almost 12 with our bumped out cans) we never had starvation issues. Even with an extended yellow and going a couple 1:45 stints.
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Yes m20. We typically dump 15gal per driver change. We modified the fill necks so we can use a 1" hose on a jerry rig style can with a big 3/4" vent hose. Takes 1.5min per fill up.
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Anti-surge tanks are indeed for two-stage fuel systems only. Not working for single stage pumps. The lift pump fills the anti-surge tank (swirl pot) which remains full at all time (excess fuel returns back to the tank). The swirl pot is also fed by the fuel return from the fuel rail. The system ensures constant fuel supply to the main pump. Even on the longest sweepers.
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Originally posted by ForcedFirebird View PostThe dual pump setup works well, except we were killing the driver side pumps since they were just running wide open all the time (not sure if you did the tee method, or pumped from driver to passenger). We do 12-24hr races, so the extra capacity was a bonus. We still run out of fuel at Daytona at 1hr 45min, most other tracks we can make a full 2hr.
Last 14hr race we did on my car, M20 stock except for cam/injectors/chip, was getting 1:30 per stint at the Ridge. And while we could only dump 10 gallons (almost 12 with our bumped out cans) we never had starvation issues. Even with an extended yellow and going a couple 1:45 stints.
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Originally posted by djjerme View PostThat being said, I've never had the same issues of starvation in my early two pump setup like all my friends have had in their later single pump style.
The dual pump setup works well, except we were killing the driver side pumps since they were just running wide open all the time (not sure if you did the tee method, or pumped from driver to passenger). We do 12-24hr races, so the extra capacity was a bonus. We still run out of fuel at Daytona at 1hr 45min, most other tracks we can make a full 2hr.
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I'd trust aluminum in my racecar before I'd trust something I 3D printed...
That being said, I've never had the same issues of starvation in my early two pump setup like all my friends have had in their later single pump style.
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Originally posted by pandaboo911 View PostThat ford tank look problematic for a high pressure pump. The fuel feed is not at the bottom of the tank, it looks like all 4 are above the fuel level inside the tank, so the high pressure pump would have to lift fuel up and out of the tank.
HP pumps are typically not able to self-prime or lift fuel, hence why a 2nd lift pump supplies the high pressure pump with a large volume of fuel.
If you want a simple DIY solution for an early model, coil up a length of fuel hose 2-3 times before it goes into the high pressure pump. This will hold just enough fuel to prevent most starvation since high pressure pumps dont pump a large volume of fuel.
On another note, the Ford unit is HUGE. Nowhere that made sense that it could fit. I guess coiling some fuel line may be an option.
Also, if anyone wants to take the time to give me schematics or a CAD drawing of the old fuel accumulator from Ireland, I could potentially do a plastic injection mold if there was a big enough group buy.
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That ford tank look problematic for a high pressure pump. The fuel feed is not at the bottom of the tank, it looks like all 4 are above the fuel level inside the tank, so the high pressure pump would have to lift fuel up and out of the tank.
HP pumps are typically not able to self-prime or lift fuel, hence why a 2nd lift pump supplies the high pressure pump with a large volume of fuel.
If you want a simple DIY solution for an early model, coil up a length of fuel hose 2-3 times before it goes into the high pressure pump. This will hold just enough fuel to prevent most starvation since high pressure pumps dont pump a large volume of fuel.
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Originally posted by bradmer View PostThe pasted in photos below were gathered from r3v members in my search to understand how to install the fuel accumulator on my rig. It appears to work for both single and dbl pump systems, as my 87 325i with a dbl pump system works just fine. The car has a 24v s52 with all CA smog equipment installed.
I installed the CARR Industries unit which is much smaller than the one you are considering, doesn't look like they make or sell it anymore though.
Perhaps an enterprising soul could get a 3d printer and start making them?
As mentioned above there is very little room under there to mount anything.
Unfortunately the nylon dissolves in gas (tested it over a few days), and I don't have access to any more "hardcore" filaments with this particular printer.
There was also the question of having to find a way to epoxy some brass fittings etc.
Meanwhile I ordered the Ford unit, so more to follow when I receive it!
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Originally posted by bradmer View PostThe pasted in photos below were gathered from r3v members in my search to understand how to install the fuel accumulator on my rig. It appears to work for both single and dbl pump systems, as my 87 325i with a dbl pump system works just fine. The car has a 24v s52 with all CA smog equipment installed.
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The pasted in photos below were gathered from r3v members in my search to understand how to install the fuel accumulator on my rig. It appears to work for both single and dbl pump systems, as my 87 325i with a dbl pump system works just fine. The car has a 24v s52 with all CA smog equipment installed.
I installed the CARR Industries unit which is much smaller than the one you are considering, doesn't look like they make or sell it anymore though.
Perhaps an enterprising soul could get a 3d printer and start making them?
As mentioned above there is very little room under there to mount anything.
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Originally posted by slums View PostThat's to say the 84-85s and ETAs, correct?
I thought in general the fuel accumulator (including the "Ireland" version) was only for dual pump fuel systems, not the single pump ones.
Finding a good spot to mount it might be tough. I'd also double check the orientation and try to see how the pick up points work internally, to make sure you don't mount it in a way that starves easily.
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Originally posted by TobyB View PostThat might just work-
a quick browse of the Ford forums seem to describe it as an accusump for
your fuel system. But they describe it as being for the lift pump on the
earlier trucks, not the high pressure system. So it'd probably
only help early cars with the low/high pressure pumps...
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I thought in general the fuel accumulator (including the "Ireland" version) was only for dual pump fuel systems, not the single pump ones.
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