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    Locating the engine and motor mounts

    I've seen several of these m60 swap build threads, with a variety of approaches to locating and mounting the engine in the chassis. Basically, the engine mount approach falls into two categories - fabricated engine mount brackets that fasten to the stock e30 sub-frame, or, modified frame rails that involve somewhat irreversible changes to the unibody structure and sub-frame.

    Another thorny constraint involves the vertical height of the engine, as it relates to the underside of the hood, driveline rotation axis, and top of the stock front subframe. The only solutions I've seen so far involve spacing the front subframe away from the unibody (~20mm), and/or tolerating as much as 3-5 degrees of front upward tilt of the engine.

    We are undertaking our swap in a severe-duty race car application, where low-weight, structural integrity, and correct driveline geometry are all really important to the success of the project. After test-fitting, measuring, mocking-up, measuring, and then repeating and rinsing, we've come up with an approach that attempts to satisfy all of our constraints:

    1) Utilize fabricated Aluminum alloy engine mounts, not unibody mods and cut sub-frames. The extra weight and embrittlement associated with welding all of that light-gauge sheet-metal is probably not the right approach for our application.

    2) Modify the E34 M60 oil pan for clearance at the sub-frame. This also involves grinding off and re-creating the upper steering rack brackets to reduce interference with the oil pan.

    3) Utilize stock e34 M60 rubber mounts, and locate the bottom of the modified oil-pan approximately 6mm above the sub-frame.

    With the above, we have the engine tilt down to a tolerable 1.2-1.5 degrees, and even our fiberglass hood, which has one-inch tall reinforcing ribs in the perfectly wrong places, clears the engine. Also, we've got the engine pretty low in the car, which helps our CG, and we haven't molested the unibody structure or sub-frame of the car - without spacing it.

    Yet another way to skin the cat.

    -Bruce
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    #2
    Good job! my application is also for pretty much full time autocross and hpde so certain aspects are very important as well.

    Doesn't look like you had to modify the pan very much at all, but it's hard to tell w/o seeing a side by side before and after shots..
    Mtech1 v8 build thread - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...d.php?t=413205



    OEM v8 manual chip or dme - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho....php?p=4938827

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      #3
      Originally posted by Jean View Post
      Good job! my application is also for pretty much full time autocross and hpde so certain aspects are very important as well.

      Doesn't look like you had to modify the pan very much at all, but it's hard to tell w/o seeing a side by side before and after shots..
      At the front edge of the cut, the height of the pan was reduced about 7/8". The new pan "floor" still maintains a bit of downward slope for drain-back to the sump.

      -Bruce

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        #4
        What manifolds did you use to design the mounts? How is your clearance against the steering input shaft?
        Mtech1 v8 build thread - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...d.php?t=413205



        OEM v8 manual chip or dme - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho....php?p=4938827

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          #5
          Originally posted by Jean View Post
          What manifolds did you use to design the mounts? How is your clearance against the steering input shaft?
          Haven't crossed that bridge yet. Since this is a dedicated race car, we're going to fabricate exhaust headers. Given the packaging constraints, it seems that the double wall stock manifolds are a luxury, and, the cross sectional area is compromised as well. Is there enough interest for us to build a header fixture, so we could reproduce these for others?

          The stock intermediate steering shaft is being swapped out for custom u-joints and a smaller diameter splined shaft, to reduce the potential for clearance issues.

          -Bruce

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            #6
            Originally posted by BruceBe View Post
            Haven't crossed that bridge yet. Since this is a dedicated race car, we're going to fabricate exhaust headers. Given the packaging constraints, it seems that the double wall stock manifolds are a luxury, and, the cross sectional area is compromised as well. Is there enough interest for us to build a header fixture, so we could reproduce these for others?

            The stock intermediate steering shaft is being swapped out for custom u-joints and a smaller diameter splined shaft, to reduce the potential for clearance issues.

            -Bruce
            I would be interested in a set, pending the price you could make them for. I agree that the OE manifolds are a compromise at best. What intermediate shaft are you sourcing? I had looked at Terry's piece from Vorshlag, but it's hard to justify the price for a street car. Keep us posted on the header developement...

            Garey


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              #7
              Originally posted by bmwmech1 View Post
              I would be interested in a set, pending the price you could make them for. I agree that the OE manifolds are a compromise at best. What intermediate shaft are you sourcing? I had looked at Terry's piece from Vorshlag, but it's hard to justify the price for a street car. Keep us posted on the header developement...

              Garey
              Indeed, the Vorshlag part is ambitiously priced. Flaming River actually makes the metric-splined joints, and using a single DD shaft (or a splined one to facilitate the correct clocking), one should be able to build an intermediate coupler for about half the Vorshlag price.

              I'll update the group as we make progress on the header.

              -Bruce

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                #8
                Originally posted by BruceBe View Post
                Indeed, the Vorshlag part is ambitiously priced. Flaming River actually makes the metric-splined joints, and using a single DD shaft (or a splined one to facilitate the correct clocking), one should be able to build an intermediate coupler for about half the Vorshlag price.

                I'll update the group as we make progress on the header.

                -Bruce
                Thanks for the info Bruce... I'll watch for the header updates.

                Garey


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