Hartge Japan 3piece 16” staggered set

[shootnjunky]

Have a set of 16” staggered Hartge Japan 3piece wheels.

These were from japan so are welded, but could be cut to allow for your own lip selection. I will not be cutting them for you though.

16x7 et25 and 16x8 et22 , perfect e30 fitment

These are mounted with new Dunlop Direzza Star spec II sport tires

205/50/16 front
225/45/16 rear

I have the centers as well although the powder coating is a little thick so I didn’t mount them. The powdercoating was done by a shop in Florida prior to my purchase of wheels from Fporro

$2500 plus shipping or pickup for just the wheels or will need to add $600 for the tires.

These have been on the road once before I parked my car for the winter. I have decided I just want to autocross so don't need the nicer set of wheels.

https://flickr.com/photos/157152654@N04/sets/72157692750811135

[reelizmpro]

I've been seeing many sets of these so called "Hartge" 16 3pc in Hartge boxes, etc. but these look like straight up reps and only came out the last few years. They look different from the originals as well. They are all over ebay which tells me they are probably reps.

[shootnjunky]

They aren’t reps, I bought them from fporro who had them refinished. But thanks for the feedback.

[Reichart12]

Might I recommend better and more photos of the wheels. Preferably in their own album and not just mixed into your Flickr.

For this kind of money, there should be photos of the front and back of each wheel at least.

[shootnjunky]

I am working on it, thanks for the feedback.

[shootnjunky]

I updated the album link thanks

[cactusjacks1]

I've been seeing many sets of these so called "Hartge" 16 3pc in Hartge boxes, etc. but these look like straight up reps and only came out the last few years. They look different from the originals as well. They are all over ebay which tells me they are probably reps.

I agree with Barry - Yours may have the HARTGE stamp on the back of the center, but that is the wrong font. Comparing an authentic wheel to yours: Yours 32 bolts, Hartge = 35 bolts, bolt diameter on yours is larger than originals, air stem location on yours in the rear piece (barrel) on the original it is in the lip. I can't find a part number from your pictures. If you can find it on the wheel, please post it & I'll cross reference it with the Hartge wheel catalog. THX

[shootnjunky]

Thanks will do.

Last thing I hope is that I was originally sold a rep as well.

[Stephen]

I can't say for sure if theres a connection to what Hartge was doing in Germany, but i have seen several sets of Hartges like these in japan. They are also stamped "Hartge Japan"

[shootnjunky]

ok so I believe we have established that there are a lot of theories as to whether the wheels I have listed are in fact true Hartge wheels.

As I stated in my ad these were from Japan and are stamped Hartge Japan, This is also the reason why the barrels and lips are welded. From my research in the 80's it was required by law.

I appreciate all of the commentary in my for sale thread, however I don't think it is very clear to anyone that actually may be interested in purchasing said wheels.

I had stated earlier I purchased them from a known seller on here FPORRO, last fall. he had just had them powdercoated to all match after he purchased he had finally located the front wheels to match the rears he already had.

I paid him exactly $2500, which is the price I have them listed for.

I am asking that unless you are in fact an expert with Hartge Japan Wheels, or can prove otherwise that these are not what I say they are, please refrain from crapping on my thread.

I trusted the seller I purchased them from based on his feedback and his knowledge of wheels in general, as well as I searched the internet and found similar wheels unfinished selling all over asia for e30's for the mid $1500's.

Not sure why I was singled out to provide the varying commentary. There is another thread with similar wheels for sale as well, just a different bolt pattern. Yet no comments like this in theirs.

[reelizmpro]

Here's the thing, who is really an expert at all things "Hartge Japan?" No one really knows until they do extensive research. I've found that several members here acknowledge so called "J spec Hartge's" etc as if they were legit but I always questioned that when I saw pictures. I've been in the game since 92 and never heard of Japanese spec Hartge's until fairly recently. It wasn't until these two threads came up that I decided to look into it. It's nothing personal, it's for the benefit of the community.

Here's what I've gathered...to my surprise there is a Hartge Japan website (http://www.hartge.co.jp) with a copy of Hartge Germany's site showing Hartge wheels on various BMW's. WTF? I thought okay this seems legit. After checking around it seemed like a bogus site, certain links don't work, etc. then I noticed the actual company name is "TSM Group." So this is similar to the old Racing Dynamics - Electrodyne debacle where people believed they were dealing with Racing Dynamics but really they were a different company except here they call themselves "Hartge Japan" by TSM Co Ltd...very clever. As if there weren't enough red flags with the wheels being different, not made by OZ/Ronal, the faux website, etc ... I went to the source and emailed Hartge Germany and this is what they had to say...

Verkauf1 @ HARTGE.de <verkauf1@hartge.de>
To:
'Barry Robinson'

Jan 29 at 11:29 PM

Thank you for your inquiry.


We hereby confirm that the wheels shown are NOT our products. Furthermore it has been brought to our attention that there are not only other “HARTGE” products in Japan also complete vehicles in/from Asia with “HARTGE Japan” engraved on metal plates, this has nothing to do with our company in Germany.

Please let others know by putting it out there on the internet – so they are aware of the falsification of our brand yet many support the imitation as they look for cheap prices L.


Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Salutations cordiales

HARTGE Sales

H. HARTGE GmbH & Co. KG
An der B 51
D - 66701 Beckingen, Germany

Fax: 0049 - 6835 - 506-17
Email: verkauf1@hartge.de
Internet: www.hartge.de

Holy shit.

This is from E30zone.net. "Hartge Japan GmbH" doesn't even make sense.

[reelizmpro]

Here's another site by TSM...

http://www.herbert-hartge.jp/Products/index.html

apparently the founder "Herbert Hartge" now makes stuff for Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Mazda and Suburu...lol wow. Hartge's look good on any car. I mean, I guess it's possible.

[shootnjunky]

Ya the whole thing is weird to me, since it is the Internet and all.

Either way They are nice wheels and I am not trying to make any money, just sell them for what I paid. Maybe I paid too much, maybe I didn't, who knows.

If anyone would like to purchase them please let me know. They look really nice on the e30 and even have the correct bore size so no hub adapters are required.

Welds can be cut to be true 3piece if desired, but the staggered look is great and with a simple 4mm spacer on the front do allow you to run a Wilwood BBK like I have.

[411]

Oz & Ronal made wheels for Hartge Same is true for Alpina

In Japan laws prohibited 3pc wheels

In 1990.
OZ & Sparco, two of the most prestigious motorsport brand, start a strong relationship with the first OZ Sparco Wheel. OZ and Sparco together are synonymous of Italian quality, style and performance all over the world. The mythic OZ Rally Racing Sparco Wheel is an evidence of that.

The "Sparco 9"

[e30m3s54turbo]

Oz & Ronal made wheels for Hartge Same is true for Alpina

In Japan laws prohibited 3pc wheels

In 1990.
OZ & Sparco, two of the most prestigious motorsport brand, start a strong relationship with the first OZ Sparco Wheel. OZ and Sparco together are synonymous of Italian quality, style and performance all over the world. The mythic OZ Rally Racing Sparco Wheel is an evidence of that.

The "Sparco 9"

Hi Barron.
My buddy Frank bought a set years ago. I noticed the the lips and barrels were wilder to get her.