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Old 10-25-2017, 11:21 PM   #31
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If you want civil discussion, then why would you support antifa? Antifa wants the opposite of civil discussion. They want to quash any form of civil discussion with force and they have demonstrated that in their actions.

This is simply untrue, any such notion is literally right-wing extremist propaganda and nothing more.

I fully support organized antifascist action, the escalating threat of fascist extremism and white/Christian supremacy must be stopped.
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Old 10-25-2017, 11:49 PM   #32
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This is simply untrue, any such notion is literally right-wing extremist propaganda and nothing more.

I fully support organized antifascist action, the escalating threat of fascist extremism and white/Christian supremacy must be stopped.
Literally proved my point. You're not willing to have a civil discussion. You want to quash all other beliefs that aren't your own.

As a note so I don't get called a Nazi: I don't agree or associate with anything white supremacist or facist. I disavow all of it.
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Old 10-25-2017, 11:49 PM   #33
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If you want civil discussion, then why would you support antifa? Antifa wants the opposite of civil discussion. They want to quash any form of civil discussion with force and they have demonstrated that in their actions.
no we don't. refer back to the image from the first post. maybe read the rest of what i've posted here while you're at it, because as i've already said, we shut down a nazi rally here in the bay area *peacefully*.

civil discussion is fine and should absolutely be how things work- i've been trying to do that in this thread, but i'm getting shouted at by 3 people in a row, so perhaps you should carefully consider whether you actually adhere to the ideals you advocate.

objecting to racism and promoting equality is us exercising our first-amendment rights, and it's more in line with constitutional values than anything i'm hearing from the alt-right.
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How is it "right-wing extremist propaganda"?

This is "literally" on CNN fucking lmao

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/mil...ley/index.html

hahaha "simply untrue"
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How is it "right-wing extremist propaganda"?

This is "literally" on CNN fucking lmao

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/us/mil...ley/index.html

hahaha "simply untrue"
that's black bloc, not antifa. it says that in the article you linked. i guess you didn't read all of that either.
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Sorry, but this is not how free speech works. It's either all of it or none of it. You can't pick and choose what speech is allowed and what speech is not allowed in a society with free speech.
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that's black bloc, not antifa. it says that in the article you linked.
far left, black bloc, antifa...who cares? alt-right, nazi's, and conservatives all seem to be gathered in the same group too. It's us vs. them, isn't it?
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Sorry, but this is not how free speech works. It's either all of it or none of it. You can't pick and choose what speech is allowed and what speech is not allowed in a society with free speech.
that is a retardedly simplistic viewpoint.

in a society where we've decided to adhere to the three ideals of "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" for everyone, no, we should not tolerate hate speech or white nationalism.

those two things are irreconcilable.
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far left, black bloc, antifa...who cares? alt-right, nazi's, and conservatives all seem to be gathered in the same group too. It's us vs. them, isn't it?
no... john mccain is a republican but i agree with him on many points.

it might be just you that's stuck in the tribal mindset here.
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Speech without action does not infringe on a persons right to life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness.
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No I’m neither right nor left. I’m just sick of this stupid moral high ground that the far left (antifa) has taken. I find it disgusting and I’m tired of hearing about it. I just want people to live their lives and speak their minds. If they do something illegal then they should be punished. They shouldn’t be punished for wrongthink.
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Speech without action does not infringe on a persons right to life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness.
traveling halfway across the country to throw a hate-speech rally *is* action. do i have to define that word for you? it means "doing something".
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traveling halfway across the country to throw a hate-speech rally *is* action. do i have to define that word for you? it means "doing something".
So you want to ban all rallies that you donít agree with? Is everyone supposed to just sit in their room and talk to themselves? Are people not allowed to gather to try and have their voices heard? Are you listening to yourself?
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So you want to ban all rallies that you donít agree with? Is everyone supposed to just sit in their room and talk to themselves? Are people not allowed to gather to try and have their voices heard? Are you listening to yourself?
if voices of hate that are not in line with constitutional values are not allowed in my city and keyboard warriors like you have to resort to ranting on random vintage bmw forums- well, i'd prefer that to the alternative.
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if voices of hate that are not in line with constitutional values are not allowed in my city and keyboard warriors like you have to resort to ranting on random vintage bmw forums- well, i'd prefer that to the alternative.
So you do want to quash views that you do not agree with, not with civil discussion but with force. There we go...
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