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The group think circle jerk in here is getting worse and worseOriginally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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since you avoided my question sleeve:
Originally posted by BraveUlysses View Postlets try a thought exercise
what kind of recorded temperature change, year after year, would it take for you to believe that AGW is real?
this is an open ended question, no right or wrong answer.
dont complain about a circle jerk when you don't contribute to the discussion
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I missed that one sleeve has been busy, I will get back to youOriginally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View PostThe group think circle jerk in here is getting worse and worse
Just an observation."A good memory for quotes combined with a poor memory for attribution can lead to a false sense of originality."
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Originally posted by BraveUlysses View Posthave time for: posts accusing us of circle jerking
dont have time for: providing substantial answers right now
what your side has failed to prove is that man is THE cause. your side is a bit of a joke science wise as there has been no proof CO2 is THE driver of AGW.
In fact there are many data points that show how weak the AGW argument is:
Ice core data showing CO2 lags warming
the last 19yr pause in warming as CO2 is rising
global cooling from about 1930 to 1970 with CO2 rising
CO2 having been higher than today in the past with lower temps
the scare that glaciers are retreating (OMG!!) only to uncover stumps of trees that the glaciers had covered, or in Greenland uncovering an old Viking outpost
Medieval Warm Period with global temps hotter than today with lower CO2
Scientific consensus that the Mann hockey stick is bad science
Climategate emails showing collusion and outright fraud among the leading proponents of AGW
and on and on
all of the above is beyond debate yet you all are so sure of yourself. amazing.Last edited by gwb72tii; 09-14-2017, 02:45 PM.“There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
Sir Winston Churchill
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Any time you reference Climategate you should really just not post.
the last 19yr pause in warming as CO2 is rising1989 BMW 325is | 2019 Ford Ranger FX4willschnitz
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I know that everyone seems to focus on CO2 because it's one of the more prevalent greenhouse gases, but greenhouse gases are more than just CO2, and many of the others have a larger impact in relation to their concentration than CO2. So focusing on just CO2 concentrations over time doesn't give a complete picture of how man-made greenhouse gases are making the earth warmer much more quickly than would naturally happen without human existence.
So George, your argument is just as half baked as someone that takes the opposite stance and focuses only on CO2 as THE cause of global warming. It's much more complex than that.
Now the media obviously plays a role here in erroneously focusing so heavily on CO2 emissions, but that's not really the argument here so I'll leave it at that.
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Originally posted by mbonder View PostI know that everyone seems to focus on CO2 because it's one of the more prevalent greenhouse gases, but greenhouse gases are more than just CO2, and many of the others have a larger impact in relation to their concentration than CO2. So focusing on just CO2 concentrations over time doesn't give a complete picture of how man-made greenhouse gases are making the earth warmer much more quickly than would naturally happen without human existence.
So George, your argument is just as half baked as someone that takes the opposite stance and focuses only on CO2 as THE cause of global warming. It's much more complex than that.
Now the media obviously plays a role here in erroneously focusing so heavily on CO2 emissions, but that's not really the argument here so I'll leave it at that.1989 BMW 325is | 2019 Ford Ranger FX4willschnitz
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Originally posted by gwb72tii View Postnobody denies the earth is in a warming trend. it has been for close to 10,000 years.
what your side has failed to prove is that man is THE cause. your side is a bit of a joke science wise as there has been no proof CO2 is THE driver of AGW.
In fact there are many data points that show how weak the AGW argument is:
Ice core data showing CO2 lags warming
the last 19yr pause in warming as CO2 is rising
global cooling from about 1930 to 1970 with CO2 rising
CO2 having been higher than today in the past with lower temps
the scare that glaciers are retreating (OMG!!) only to uncover stumps of trees that the glaciers had covered, or in Greenland uncovering an old Viking outpost
Medieval Warm Period with global temps hotter than today with lower CO2
Scientific consensus that the Mann hockey stick is bad science
Climategate emails showing collusion and outright fraud among the leading proponents of AGW
and on and on
all of the above is beyond debate yet you all are so sure of yourself. amazing.
for someone who endlessly complains about 'drive by posting' you give sleeve a pass
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Originally posted by Wschnitz View PostIts worth pointing out that CO2 is also seen as dangerous because of the impacts it could have on permafrost. It may not be the most deadly, but if it can tip the tides enough to thaw massive amounts of permafrost and release methane and other gases it could be a bad day.
I agree there are further problems, with CO2 besides the fact that there is more of it in the atmosphere during the modern age than there was at other points in the past. But the underlying problem here in terms of global warming isn't really the CO2, it's the release of other gases such as methane, which can be much more harmful directly to the atmosphere and have a much greater relative impact on global temperatures.
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Originally posted by gwb72tii View Postwhat your side has failed to prove is that man is THE cause. your side is a bit of a joke science wise as there has been no proof CO2 is THE driver of AGW."A good memory for quotes combined with a poor memory for attribution can lead to a false sense of originality."
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