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Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post*cough* CAP & TRADE *hack wheeze cough*
Without regulation, you had the Cuyahoga burning.
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The oceans have been rising rapidly in recent times already, and we deal with it down here. Miami Beach is spending $.5bil to pump salt water out of the city. It's predicted that Miami Beach will be inhabitable by 2100...
The president of the United States this week proposed drowning wide swaths of the American landscape, and it barely made front-page news. The White House's 2019 budget request proposes cutting the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's climate-research initiatives by 37 percent — from $158 million in 2017 to only $93 million in 2019.
Miami is ~6' above sea level so surge tides are already damaging homes.
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Originally posted by parkerbink View PostPlease post where cap & trade is calling for total shut down. That was his claim.
Without regulation, you had the Cuyahoga burning.
this is what I was addressing with my reference,
Originally posted by marshallnoise View PostI haven't seen what "reasonable" is to you folk. I just see another opportunity for government control with no expectation of actual results.Originally posted by FusionIf a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
William Pitt-
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Originally posted by marshallnoise View PostPretty alarmist if you ask me. A far fetched scenario with just as far fetched consequences makes for a hell of a reason to change everything we do and bring us back into the dark ages where we have practically zero energy.
Think about the consequences of the removal of fossil fuels from life as we know it. You think melting ice would be bad? How about famine, pestilence and death?
There are parts of the world functioning just fine without fossil fuels, btw. It's not like there has to be this massive shift all once. It's those small little improvements to how we capture and use energy that add up over time. If cap and trade is the impetus then so what? Our air gets cleaner, our transportation gets more efficient, our homes get more energy efficient, our freshwater supplies stay fresh, etc. These aren't trivial things designed purely to squeeze taxes out of us.Last edited by E30 Wagen; 06-17-2018, 11:49 AM.
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Originally posted by ForcedFirebird View PostThis bickering reminds me of my children.
Facts are facts people...
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Originally posted by marshallnoise View PostIsn't that what the bickering is about? Whether "facts" are indeed facts?
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Prediction of the future does not constitute facts or science. But no, I didnt look at your links. The premise is false on its face.Originally posted by ForcedFirebird View PostDid you click my links and watch the next 40yr of Miami Beach progression? It's real and in my back yard.Si vis pacem, para bellum.
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Originally posted by marshallnoise View PostPrediction of the future does not constitute facts or science. But no, I didnt look at your links. The premise is false on its face.
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Originally posted by marshallnoise View PostPrediction of the future does not constitute facts or science. But no, I didnt look at your links. The premise is false on its face.
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Cool. I bark at facts, evidence and science. It is what it is. Not interested in "hockey sticks" or any jargon. Truth be said, it's 2am my time and I'm tracking celestial events lol.
Totally geeking out in my telescope...
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Originally posted by marshallnoise View PostPrediction of the future does not constitute facts or science. But no, I didnt look at your links. The premise is false on its face.
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Originally posted by marshallnoise View PostIsn't that what the bickering is about? Whether "facts" are indeed facts?
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Or are you just refusing to post those links to scientists/government leaders calling for a return to the 12th century? (that don't exist)
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Originally posted by parkerbink View PostPartially. Some are providing facts, you are spouting unsupported nonsense.
Or are you just refusing to post those links to scientists/government leaders calling for a return to the 12th century? (that don't exist)
People have to paint their houses twice as often in California because the paint has been stripped of any chemicals that make it last and I am not even suggesting we go back to lead. Environmentalists in California love shutting down nuclear power plants, they love stopping hydroelectric power generation and they don't even want solar power grids to be linked from the desert to the metropolitan areas that need it.
Yes, California environmentalists want to bring us back to the dark ages. But they won't give up their iPhones and Teslas. Therefore, its about power and control and not about the environment.
As California goes, so goes the nation.
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