Zen Performance Stress Bars

[madness3]

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[e30rcr]

So what exactly does he do to the mason bars, am I just blind??

[asubimmer]

dang you got ripped a new one w/ those prices

[atomic]

So what exactly does he do to the mason bars, am I just blind??

+1

I was thinking the same thing... He even uses Mason Engineering's same pictures that is on their site. So what has he had done to the bars that is different other than custom color matching? IMHO sounds like a sales pitch...

[StereoInstaller1]

$180 for installation (He gave me a deal on the labor because he built my car originally) the rear bar requires drilling and bolting.

Damn.

You have got to be the biggest sucker i have heard of in a while.

You paid $180 of your hard earned dollars for the removal and replacement of 4 bolts and drilling 6 screw holes?

Damn.

I like how the ad talks about "definitive actual measured chassis flex"...um, yeah...so how did you measure that chassis flex?

This would be the first time in over 5000 posts I have ever used this emoticon:

[JGood]

With the new Front and rear bars I immediately noticed a huge improvement is steering response (even in a straight line less transient corrections nesassary)

ROFL

[atomic]

Doesn't Farbin Kaiber have ocean front property in Arizona for sale?

[drifty340i]

Oh snap

[Coco Savage]

lol

[DCColegrove]

Hmmm.

I think I'll just let this slide by.

One thing I will answer though: I have access to some neat toys (not our own toy but they let us play with it) like a 4 post shaker with laser and telemetry, this is the way the big boys measure chassis flex.

[JGood]

I'm not doubting your bars ability to decrease unwanted chassis flex. I am doubting the ability of someone to notice a difference, on a street car, on the street, driving in a straight line. Compared to another solid bar. That's ridiculous.

[DCColegrove]

I'm not doubting your bars ability to decrease unwanted chassis flex. I am doubting the ability of someone to notice a difference, on a street car, on the street, driving in a straight line. Compared to another solid bar. That's ridiculous.

Hmmm.

Define solid.

In a torsional plane the front bars we are using now are about 300% better than the ones we used in the 90's.

As to transient steering squirm in a straight line on the street...I dunno.

And yes it is pricey... and no you can't see the difference (unless you cut them open the well the attaching hardware is definitely different looking)... and yes the shop rate is $90 an hour and no it's not just drilling some holes in the trunk we install captured nuts and external backing...and whatever...Jann is happy

[atomic]

Hmmm.

Define solid.

In a torsional plane the front bars we are using now are about 300% better than the ones we used in the 90's.

As to transient steering squirm in a straight line on the street...I dunno.

And yes it is pricey... and no you can't see the difference (unless you cut them open the well the attaching hardware is definitely different looking)... and yes the shop rate is $90 an hour and no it's not just drilling some holes in the trunk we install captured nuts and external backing...and whatever...Jann is happy

Didn't mean to go that far OT, but can you at least answer my question on what makes your bar specs different than the ones Mason sells when you are using the same pictures that are on Mason Engineerings site?


Thanks

[JGood]

Hmmm.

Define solid.

In a torsional plane the front bars we are using now are about 300% better than the ones we used in the 90's.

As to transient steering squirm in a straight line on the street...I dunno.

And yes it is pricey... and no you can't see the difference (unless you cut them open the well the attaching hardware is definitely different looking)... and yes the shop rate is $90 an hour and no it's not just drilling some holes in the trunk we install captured nuts and external backing...and whatever...Jann is happy

What does "300% better" mean? Are you telling me the Sparco bar allows for 300% more flex under identical conditions then your bar? "Torsional plane" isn't a very good indicator of what direction the Sparco bar faults in, either. Torsion is applied in several directions under varied conditions...

By solid I was referring to the Sparco bar mentioned in the original post. The same Sparco bar that mounts through 2 strut bolts and one bolt through the side of the strut tower. Solid. No joints. Nothing to flex, except the large steel bar.

Again, the only thing I was saying is, there is no possible way a human can feel the effects of this bar vs. a sparco bar driving in a straight line.

[DCColegrove]

What does "300% better" mean? Are you telling me the Sparco bar allows for 300% more flex under identical conditions then your bar? "Torsional plane" isn't a very good indicator of what direction the Sparco bar faults in, either. Torsion is applied in several directions under varied conditions.

By solid I was referring to the Sparco bar mentioned in the original post. The same Sparco bar that mounts through 2 strut bolts and one bolt through the side of the strut tower. Solid. No joints. Nothing to flex, except the large steel bar. ...

mounted as intended the sparco bar was bitchin good at controlling flex of the strut towers in and away from each other. Not so good in controlling front to back (twisting) At the top end of knocking the shit out of the chassis on the shaker it allowed just over 22mm of this motion (total measured at the top of the struts)

The bar (fabricated by John) we are using now only allowed 7mm same program same chassis (swapped/tested...swapped/tested 3 iterations in a row)

Again, the only thing I was saying is, there is no possible way a human can feel the effects of this bar vs. a sparco bar driving in a straight line. ...

Like I said, I dunno.