Zen Performance Stress Bars

[DCColegrove]

Didn't mean to go that far OT, but can you at least answer my question on what makes your bar specs different than the ones Mason sells when you are using the same pictures that are on Mason Engineerings site?


Thanks

Yes, the images, (all but one) I have borrowed from John. The site crashed and I'm working on putting the images we lost back together(quite a while ago...sad considering that I own a whole shit load of photography equipment) .

Different material, different mounting, slightly different geometry, different hardware and different finish.

Okay, Now I'll let it slide by.

[JGood]

Under what suspension movement would you see shock tower movement going front or back? I'm asking as a serious question, as I've never heard of that. Also, what is the total movement with no strut bar installed?

[Farbin Kaiber]

Doesn't Farbin Kaiber have ocean front property in Arizona for sale?

Act now, my last three plots are gonna go quick.

Under what suspension movement would you see shock tower movement going front or back? I'm asking as a serious question, as I've never heard of that. Also, what is the total movement with no strut bar installed?

Sounds to me brands with product knowledge like APC and 3A Racing are making the move to the e30 chassis.

[Brian D]

Oh goodie, a strut bar debate.

Have any of you guys that are saying "junk science" driven a car with the Mason bars? Or are you just saying what you believe, without any substantiation? Isn't that what you're accusing the OP of doing?

Where do you find the Mason bars cheaper? Mason and Vorshlags prices are the same (OK, 5 bucks less for the set) for the bars.

I don't know if the things work or not, quite honestly. Maybe when I have everything else I want done to my car completed I'll experiment with them. I'd just like to see some serious tech, one way or another.

But it's the R3V way to take punk ass potshots.

[NC325iC]

i checked mason's website and it was about $30 cheaper

[JGood]

Oh goodie, a strut bar debate.

Have any of you guys that are saying "junk science" driven a car with the Mason bars? Or are you just saying what you believe, without any substantiation? Isn't that what you're accusing the OP of doing?

Where do you find the Mason bars cheaper? Mason and Vorshlags prices are the same (OK, 5 bucks less for the set) for the bars.

I don't know if the things work or not, quite honestly. Maybe when I have everything else I want done to my car completed I'll experiment with them. I'd just like to see some serious tech, one way or another.

But it's the R3V way to take punk ass potshots.

What? I don't remember seeing any posts with people arguing against strut tower bars in this thread...

[DCColegrove]

Oh goodie, a strut bar debate.

Have any of you guys that are saying "junk science" driven a car with the Mason bars? Or are you just saying what you believe, without any substantiation? Isn't that what you're accusing the OP of doing?

Where do you find the Mason bars cheaper? Mason and Vorshlags prices are the same (OK, 5 bucks less for the set) for the bars.

I don't know if the things work or not, quite honestly. Maybe when I have everything else I want done to my car completed I'll experiment with them. I'd just like to see some serious tech, one way or another.

But it's the R3V way to take punk ass potshots.

Well, there you go. A thinking man.

John Mason and I live pretty close to each other and do some joint R&D.

John builds these for us to a different spec (see my earlier rant) this is a factor in the cost difference. His verson work wonderfully we just needed some (damned expensive) tweaks to suit our particular goals.

And thank you for defending Jann's observations... Just called me to apologise for starting this thread...I said thanks for smoking out the thread monkey...who needs him.

Ooops, Shit...I was going to shut up....

[atomic]

Well, there you go. A thinking man.

John Mason and I live pretty close to each other and do some joint R&D.

John builds these for us to a different spec (see my earlier rant) this is a factor in the cost difference. His verson work wonderfully we just needed some (damned expensive) tweaks to suit our particular goals.

And thank you for defending Jann's observations... Just called me to apologise for starting this thread...I said thanks for smoking out the thread monkeys...who need them.

Ooops, Shit...I was going to shut up....

RANT... RANT ?? WHAT ?? I asked a simple question but you have to tell that guy and imply that your response is a rant. I am not trying to get into a pissing match but rather a straight forward answer, which you answered THANK YOU, BUT now you imply that it was a rant. Great way to do business there. And I guess asking legitimate questions about your product you are selling makes us monkey's...

Maybe you should have refrained from posting that, good luck with your business too...



I'm done with this now

good luck

[DCColegrove]

RANT... RANT ?? WHAT ?? I asked a simple question but you have to that guy and imply that your response is a rant. I am not trying to get into a pissing match but rather a straight forward answer, which you answered THANK YOU, BUT now you imply that it was a rant. Great way to do business there. And I guess asking legitimate questions about your product you are selling makes us monkey's...

Maybe you should have refrained from posting that, good luck with your business too...



I'm done with this now

good luck

Huh? Are we speaking the same language? and the monkey wasn't nessasarly you.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I'm a money holding monkey...

[JGood]

I think I'm the monkey. But I'm a badass monkey...

[DCColegrove]

I think I'm the monkey. But I'm a badass monkey...

No, you're not the monkey...
I sent the Monkey an entirely different PM.
And that's a chimp...
Big difference.

[JGood]

And that's a chimp...
Big difference.

"Abba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba
said the monkey to the chimp.
Abba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba dabba
said the chimpee to the monk.
All night long they chattered away.
All day long they were happy and gay,
swinging and swaying in a honky, tonky way."

This thread is hammered, figured I'd through the "Monkey and Chimp" song in there.

[Fidhle007]

Roffles.

[madness3]

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