Dogleg Tranny- where to find one?

[E30godz]

the dogleg was standard on many 325i Sport's in Europe right? I find it hard to believe it doesnt have synchros.


i could be wrong.

[grapedrink]

If I could find one I would do it. Yes they have synchros. The racing ones might not but those are different all together with different gears etc. Dogleg was not standard on 325i.

[e30sd]

you're confusing "dogleg" and "crash"-box.

[MR 325]

I find it hard to believe it doesnt have synchros.

[bimmer8604]

so your telling me the dogleg tranny is this "Close ratio" gear box and it does have syncros?

I believe Court has a dogleg....i wish he would chime in.

Most dogleg trannies do not have syncros, atleast that is what i've been told by my instructors at school.

A Close ratio and dogleg arent the same imo. I think we need more information on this. I was just wondering where I could find one.

Kyle

[e30sd]

close ratio is exactly that! it was popularized in the 60's by performance car manufacturers and race teams. gear ratios were spaced much closer than standard transmissions. the net effect usually meant less top end, but increased mid range acceleration, being able to find the correct gear at a road course is a huge plus.

[bimmer8604]

I know about the close ratio. im just trying to figure out why people are calling the dogleg the close ratio.

From what i've gathered:

Euro Trans: Close ratio w/ syncros
Dogleg: "Crash Box" W/O syncros

Am I correct?

[e30sd]

from what i recall, dogleg boxes get their name from the position of first gear in relation to the "H" pattern, where by the angle created resembles the hind leg of a dog. but what the fuck do i know.

[bimmer8604]

Yes, they get the name because of that...but i also thought they were syncroless.

All dealing with the benifts to the "racer"

Kyle

[e30sd]

i test drove an e30 323i stroker in la mesa a few years back, came with a dogleg box. i don't recall it not having synchro's; i'm not that good of a driver.

[bimmer8604]

Hmmmmm. I need a euro guy on here!

Kyle

[Avus E30]

yeah this quickly became a hot button topic. But its a good way to really find out what the deal is on the dogleg.

[grapedrink]

Yes, they get the name because of that...but i also thought they were syncroless.

All dealing with the benifts to the "racer"

Kyle

Think about this for a moment. 20 years of every day drivers shifting without synchros = not going to happen. The trans would be done in 6 months if not less. It has synchros. Transmissions get rebuilt after every race (for many different reasons, this being one).

Go test drive an 02 Kia and when stoping try and shift it into 1st gear... It has no synchro. Now apply that same thing you just experienced over all 5 gears, up and down shifts and you get a trans that is no good for the everyday driver.

I am done here.

[Jand3rson]

And WHY exactly do you need a dogleg tranny all of a sudden?

[bimmer8604]

Have you taken apart a transmission w.o syncros?

Im sorry, but i dont agree with you. The only thing i agree with you is that the syncroless transmissions are used in racing applications.

Who said anything about using this as a DD transmission?

and as far as a stupid topic? Fuck you. Its a legitimate topic, so go somewhere else to crap on other peoples threads.
kyle