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    Just back from Tehran, New York Times columnist Roger Cohen related the sentiment of Nasser Hadian, a professor at Tehran University and, according to a previous Times article, a "childhood friend" of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad: "What Obama has already done for the United States in the Muslim world is unbelievable."


    Hadian is perhaps not the most reliable observer of popular opinion in Iran, having previously praised Ahmadinejad as a "self-confident, committed and absolutely incorruptible" leader. In 2004, New York Times columnist Nicolas Kristof seemed genuinely surprised by his visit to Tehran, confidently declaring that "Finally, I've found a pro-American country." "Everywhere in Iran," wrote Kristof, "people have been exceptionally friendly and fulsome in their praise for the United States, and often for President George W. Bush as well." And the only hostility Kristof encountered was "from a table full of young Europeans."


    Relying as they do on political considerations and selection bias, both observations are of little value to those attempting to gauge the actual mood in Iran. And while Hadian's effusive verdict strains credulity (and Kristof's seems to comport with a variety of independent sources), there is a good deal of evidence that the Obama presidency has indeed shifted attitudes towards the United States throughout the world. But not so much in the Muslim world.



    According to a recent Pew poll, Obama has generally pushed America's favorability rating in a positive direction, with the resultant gains largest in Western Europe. In England, France, and Germany, for instance, positive perceptions of the United States have seen double digit jumps. But in Muslim countries, only Indonesia, where Obama spent four years as a child, registered a significant increase in favorability, while Pakistan saw a small drop in goodwill towards the U.S. (from 19 to 16 percent). Despite the administration's very public grappling with Israel, positive opinions of the United States in the Palestinian territories remained at a paltry 15 percent.

    This much is true: It can't be a bad thing that the United States' "standing" in the world has increased, though one wonders if most respondents were aware of the Obama administration's flurry of Bush-like foreign policy decisions. But what now?



    Obama's "rock star" popularity in Ghent and Schleswig-Holstein doesn't much impress America's antagonists. In a recent editorial, The Washington Post wrote excitedly that "The new administration has pushed a reset button with Russia and sent new ambassadors to Syria and Venezuela; it has offered olive branches to Cuba and Burma."
    Add to that list Iran, whom the administration has offered a "new beginning" of direct engagement. In the meantime, an election was rigged, show trials of dissidents commenced, and three American tourists were arrested after "infiltrating" the country during a hike through the Kurdistan region of Iraq (American journalist Roxana Saberi was arrested in January on espionage charges). Last week, General Ray Odierno told journalists that Iranian meddling in Iraqi affairs, including the arming and training of insurgents, "is more targeted now than it has ever been." The rock star has dazzled Copenhagen, but has thus far failed to dissuade Iran from continuing its pursuit of a nuclear program.



    With Cuba, the administration has undertaken a handful of sensible measures, such as allowing unlimited remittances to flow into Cuba from America-based exiles, and eliminating limits on family travel to the island. But other "reset" policies are quixotic, like the administration's plan to allow "U.S. satellite radio and satellite television service providers to engage in transactions necessary to provide services to customers in Cuba." It is nice to know that the White House believes ordinary Cubans too desire to listen to Howard Stern or play along to Cash Cab at home, but it isn't a sentiment reciprocated by their oppressors.


    If concessions, no matter how necessary, constitute a "thaw" in Cuban-American relations, it seems likely that Obama is content with a unidirectional policy of change. Indeed, Raul Castro, whom many hopeful experts predicted would take a softer line than his shriveled, half-dead brother, recently told a gathering of Communist Party apparatchiks that, despite the country's deepening economic crisis, there would be no China-like moves towards a freer market. "I wasn't elected (sic) president to return capitalism to Cuba or to surrender the revolution," he wheezed.
    As the Post points out, there has been a "thaw" in relations with Venezuela, too. In the spirit of these times of "resetting," the two governments restored their respective ambassadors, expelled last year during a diplomatic row. And it was doubtless a strategic move for the Obama administration to denounce the coup in Honduras, siding with the Chavez and Castro governments in calling for President Manuel Zelaya to be speedily returned to power.

    But if any of these entreaties were expected to change behavior in Caracas, to coax Chavez back into polite company, they have so far come to naught. Despite Obama's siding with Zelaya, Chavez, perhaps out of habit, blamed the Honduran coup on the CIA. In the past week, the Chavista government shut down 34 independent radio stations (with promises to close hundreds more), sent its thugs to attack the only remaining independent television channel, pushed a law aimed at censoring critics engaged in "media crimes," and was again caught arming the Colombian rebel group FARC.

    In Afghanistan, even Obama boosters like Slate editor Jacob Weisberg warn that the administration risks "getting overcommitted" and is "putting too much faith in the United Nations, [and] accommodating dictators instead of standing up to them." While the previous administration discredited the idea of liberal internationalism, Weisberg says, "Obama has failed to stand up for the broader ideas of democracy promotion and humanitarian intervention.” Weisberg cautions that Obama cannot merely frame himself as the anti-Bush.

    But for now, being the anti-Bush has kept his poll numbers high in this country, too.

    During the 2008 election, when I spoke with voters in Washington D.C., New York, and Los Angeles, most expressed two desires: to "improve our image abroad" and see a precipitous withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan. The latter wish, of course, hasn’t happened. While the streets of Washington, D.C., were crowded with "Funk the War" and "Bailout People Not Banks" demonstrations in 2008 (both documented by Reason.tv), the protesters have fallen silent since inauguration. We might still be tallying casualties in Herat and Baghdad, but the opposition has melted away, and reemerged on issues such as health care and the relative importance of mentally unbalanced "birthers."
    But no matter. Those who loathed us, now loathe us a little bit less than before.


    So rather than the scorn that so often greets Americans in Western Europe (and trust me, it is ubiquitous), our interlocutors will now praise our good sense in choosing Barack Obama, while paying less attention to our supposedly debased, ignorant culture. None of the standard talking points I encountered while living in Europe—e.g., Americans are fat, undereducated, and cultureless; or, to quote filmmaker Michael Moore, simply "the dumbest people on the planet"—are countervailed by a changing of the White House guard. And neither will be the hostility from Caracas and Tehran.


    So by all means rejoice that this country is more likable to bien pensant Belgians, but remember that there is a profound difference between changing attitudes and changing policy.
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    #2
    After paying those whores $200 billion, they better love us long time.

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      #3
      Can someone gimme the cliffs? I really don't wanna read all that lol

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        i care.
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          Originally posted by daniel View Post
          i care.
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            Hey TexasTerp. Thanks for the reading. Imagine you live in a nice suburb with the usual little jealousies between houses, and that your immediate neighbour keeps on enlarging his boundaries, sometimes having BBQ on your lawn, parking in your driveway, often telling you what to do, what time you should go to sleep, using your water and heating. Well, the day that neighboor rings your bell and says "I am sorry" I'll try to behave. Let's work it out together", then perhaps it is a good day. You may make friend with him and stop dropping flaming shit bags at his doorstep...

            The Obama administration has done a lot toward lowering egemony in the world, while the previous government did everything it could to start fires, without even thinking of the consequences
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              Well, I came over to Germany (Munich, no less) before Obama was inaugurated. I saw the inauguration live here, and have been living here since. I honestly haven't felt much anti-Americanism here, before or after. Lots of Europeans tell me they "love Obama," but they actually don't know anything about his policies. Just that he's not Bush. That may raise our standing, but that's rather pathetic that's the reason why.

              I have encountered some anti-Americanism, mostly when German friends of mine are surprised that I know where Austria is on a map. They really do think we're retarded.
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                #8
                Originally posted by Bimmerman325i View Post
                I have encountered some anti-Americanism, mostly when German friends of mine are surprised that I know where Austria is on a map. They really do think we're retarded.
                And, geographically at least, many Americans truly are.

                But, so are a whole lot of people from every other country in the world.

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                  Originally posted by Massive Lee View Post
                  Hey TexasTerp. Thanks for the reading. Imagine you live in a nice suburb with the usual little jealousies between houses, and that your immediate neighbour keeps on enlarging his boundaries, sometimes having BBQ on your lawn, parking in your driveway, often telling you what to do, what time you should go to sleep, using your water and heating. Well, the day that neighboor rings your bell and says "I am sorry" I'll try to behave. Let's work it out together", then perhaps it is a good day. You may make friend with him and stop dropping flaming shit bags at his doorstep...

                  The Obama administration has done a lot toward lowering egemony in the world, while the previous government did everything it could to start fires, without even thinking of the consequences
                  Just like a lot of things Lee, we ain't here to kiss ass. Just like the wimpy land owner in your example, if you don't stand up for yourself, people will walk all over you. Obama has bent over for the world and he will get a flaming hot torpedo up his ass for doing it. It isn't about being nice; it is about national security.

                  To follow your analogy, the reason your neighbor keeps encroaching on you, is because you are letting that meth lab on the other side encroach too. Your neighbor has to step in and insure that the meth lab doesn't boil over into his yard endangering his children.

                  Europe hates us because we are number 1 and we do things our way, and they want us to do things their way. Never mind that their way might be more wrong than our way. It's cultural and it's bigoted.

                  However, 90% of it is overblown. Just as some days you hate your boss because he made you do shit work, you know deep down that he's just doing his job. You aren't going to kill him for it and you might even have a beer with him after work every now and then and discover that he's a real person too.

                  Bring a European here and they are less a fish out of water than most of us would be in Europe simply because they see and hear all about American culture on TV and in movies and via sports. You can't go there without seeing a whole lot of America on the normal evening news. You can't get away from it. (Of course, a lot of stuff on that "news" is just as biased and wrong as what we get on the news here so that lends to the problems)

                  Oh, and I think you were aiming for Hegemony there??
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                    Originally posted by Hallen View Post
                    Oh, and I think you were aiming for Hegemony there??
                    Hi Hallen. If indeed I was out to start some hegemony, I would have used much hasher terms. I am not afraid to use them. Don't worry.

                    Read your own reply and you will realize why the US is perceived the way it is. You claim that the US is "number 1" (isn't that a pretty basic statement for kids). Please explain, because I don't see it that way. Military speaking, the US is in TWO Vietnam wars (Irak and Afghanistan). We know how it ended. Economically, the US is very weak to the point of needing a complete restructuration.

                    You also claim that the US has the right to bully the rest of the world for its own safety, otherwise the US would be invaded and wouldn't be credible. Hmmm... There are so many civilized and industrialized countries that don't rely on their military power to be respected (at least not in this millenum)

                    The US will have to sit back and listen to what Europe has to say, including in the banking system (money is power, right?). Wall Street's greed has gone too far and it has hurt the whole world as economical systems are interlinked. Not that other countries aren't greedy, sure they are, but they have a regulating system that makes sure that what was experienced in the US last year, will not happen.

                    Basically, the US needs to respect the rest of the world as much as the ROTW needs to respect the US. Just like a house, every beam needs the others. Obama hasn't shown any weakness, he has shown there's is room for discussion and democracy. Which was not the case with the previous administration. ROTW will hate the US much less, knowing a dialogue is possible. There will still be religious extremists basing their crazy acts on Coran, but the same can be said in the US, except they use the bible. In any case, it doesn't make sense and hurts everyone.

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                      Originally posted by nickpdx View Post
                      And, geographically at least, many Americans truly are.
                      bad stereotype. per capita americans are not less intelligent than other countries.

                      back on topic, i don't think any weakness has been shown. it's all paranoid spin/hype. besides, appearing to be a bully didn't help us out the last time around when dubya had the hot poker stuffed up his ass while he was reading my pet goat did it?
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                        This is a funny thread. Removed some of the words and it would sound like a high school football rivalry.

                        +1 on the I care. Never good to be hated, respected is a better position to be in.
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Massive Lee View Post
                          . Military speaking, the US is in TWO Vietnam wars (Irak and Afghanistan)
                          credibility just went out the window ITT

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by kishg View Post
                              bad stereotype. per capita americans are not less intelligent than other countries.
                              You are correct. I don't think that anybody even mentioned that US citizens were less intelligent. What is at stake is basically their awareness of what is happening outside their border. Wether we are talking county, state or country. Not knowing what is outside automatically creates fear. Mr Bush (the brat) had no passeport before accessing to the presidency. Meaning he never travelled abroad.

                              Originally posted by Alkasquawlik View Post
                              credibility just went out the window ITT
                              Dude, you are a douche. STFU or express an idea.
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