E30 Euro Smiley headlights Bosch - $240

[F34R]

Its so easy a cave man can do it.

1+ and thanks for the relay tip, explains why my highs turn off on my 87 converted to euro smiley.

[noid]

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[noid]

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[Deathtoll]

Do you know where I can score a driver side bracket? I have a set but the bracked it cracked on one side.

[noid]

Dealer?

I am also entertaining trades.

[noid]

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[reelizmpro]

But the cut off pattern cannot be altered and it is indeed different on UK spec. projectors.

How so? I've owned several sets and never noticed any difference other than improved lighting.

[noid]

How so? I've owned several sets and never noticed any difference other than improved lighting.

The light pattern is different:

http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64277

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=610151

If you look on realoem/bmwfans you will see different part numbers for RHD/LHD and it specifically notes that they are side specific.

[reelizmpro]

I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing.

According to realoem/ETK, there are two essential differences only. US or Euro. Under the euro designation, there is no distinction between UK and rest of Europe. Just shows Hella and Bosch reflector, which we know to be different. What I don't get, is why make the lights adjustable RHD/LHD if they were truly different? Are you saying that converting the RHD over to LHD via rotating the reflector isn't as good as a true LHD? I would argue it's the same unit. It appears to be that way in the ETK as well. I am referring to number 3 specifically...




Sorry for the threadjacking its just that I have heard this argument before many years ago and never got resolution.

[rav320uk]

I'm sure Bosch wouldn't have wasted time in allowing the lamp to be LHD and RHD if it wasn't fully usable.
Or there would be 2 different part numbers for 2 sided lamps.

[noid]

I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing.

According to realoem/ETK, there are two essential differences only. US or Euro. Under the euro designation, there is no distinction between UK and rest of Europe. Just shows Hella and Bosch reflector, which we know to be different. What I don't get, is why make the lights adjustable RHD/LHD if they were truly different? Are you saying that converting the RHD over to LHD via rotating the reflector isn't as good as a true LHD? I would argue it's the same unit. It appears to be that way in the ETK as well. I am referring to number 3 specifically...




Sorry for the threadjacking its just that I have heard this argument before many years ago and never got resolution.

LHD:

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E30/2-doors/Europe/325i-M20/LHD/M/1989/january/browse/lighting/single_parts_f_ellipsoidal_headlight-2/

RHD:

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E30/2-doors/Europe/325i-M20/RHD/M/1989/january/browse/lighting/single_parts_f_ellipsoidal_headlight-2/

Part number for RHD reflector: 63 12 1 390 301

Part number for LHD reflector: 63 12 1 390 270

And a second note: we are assuming the reflector can be rotated, where infact that may just be a factory marking, where the RHD/LHD reflector accordingly should sit when installed. Setting a RHD reflector to where the LHD reflector should be rotated doesnt make it correct.

Edit: to further illustrate my point:
LHD:

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E30/2-doors/Europe/325i-M20/LHD/M/1988/january/browse/lighting/single_parts_f_ellipsoidal_headlight-2/

RHD:

http://bmwfans.info/parts/catalog/E30/2-doors/Europe/325i-M20/RHD/M/1988/january/browse/lighting/single_parts_f_ellipsoidal_headlight-2/

LHD reflector Bosch 63 12 1 386 632
LHD reflector Hella 63 12 1 378 331

RHD reflector Bosch 63 12 1 386 637
RHD reflector Hella 63 12 1 378 347

[reelizmpro]

Does anyone know what a catalysator is? can't ignore this difference. They don't even show a part for BOSCH. The difference could be something else besides a redesign of the reflector.

Secondly, I don't think the projectors are slotted by coincidence. They simply wouldn't be if they were LHD/RHD specific don't you think? Keep in mind that the slot distance is the EXACT same distance needed to move the pointer from LHD to RHD and vice versa. That's not coincidence.

Thirdly, I don't know about BMWfans but RealOEM is based on BMW ETK. Why BMWfans shows right/left hand drive w and w/o catalysator and RealOEM doesn't show any distinction is peculiar.

[noid]

I think the last two links above I provided was more accurate to the euro smileys as europe also had non smiley ellipsoids which what might be the first two links I provided. In both cases the outcome is the same.

Having slotted headlight housings is actually very beneficial, because you do not need two different processes/assembly lines to produce two different housings. What is CLEAR as day is that the part numbers are different and it specially states that they are right hand/left hand specific.

If the reflector could so easily function as RHD/LHD with a simple turn of the reflector dont you think there wouldnt be two different reflectors for RHD and LHD?

63 12 1 386 637
63 12 1 378 347
63 12 1 390 301

All three show up on RealOEM as RHD specific, I dont know what you are on about.

Catalysator are possibly the hydraulically adjustable housings. But that point is moot since it has nothing to do with the reflector.

[reelizmpro]

I think the last two links above I provided was more accurate to the euro smileys as europe also had non smiley ellipsoids which what might be the first two links I provided. In both cases the outcome is the same.

Having slotted headlight housings is actually very beneficial, because you do not need two different processes/assembly lines to produce two different housings. What is CLEAR as day is that the part numbers are different and it specially states that they are right hand/left hand specific.

If the reflector could so easily function as RHD/LHD with a simple turn of the reflector dont you think there wouldnt be two different reflectors for RHD and LHD?

Noid, what is your source? BMWfans? what makes BMWfans more credible than RealOEM (direct copy of BMW ETK)? Because according to RealOEM, there's only one reflector for each Bosch and Hella. What about Hella smoked blackline and replacement lights? Never have I heard of them being LHD or RHD specific. What I do know, is that people have been moving the projector over and have been happy. Perhaps our UK friends can shed some light on the topic.

"catalysator" is in direct reference to the reflector so yes it has something to do with the reflector.

[rav320uk]

Never had any issues over here transfereing the light lens to LHD and driving on the continent, light beam pattern is fine an allows you to see exactly what you need to in the dark.
If the cut off pattern doesn;t change, then surely we would have flashing oncomming traffic, as the beam pattern would be blinding.